Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[Dymak]

I don’t blame it on her gender or skin colour. I find it interesting that the thing you didn’t like about her was her giggly schoolgirl laugh.

It’s not that I don’t like her laugh, I just don’t think that type of presentation is going to assist someone that is in competition to become president of the United States.

 

[Toffeepot]

Agree or disagree with the state of the current Labour Party, I think they’re a good example of how you can win an election by occupying the centre ground and addressing some of the fears and issues of people who might vote for Tory/Reform. They won enough of those people over just by pandering to the viewpoint a bit and not operating within an echo chamber. I’d personally prefer the PLP to be further left but my own opinion is that you need to be in government to make progressive changes.

I think the same lessons could be learned by the Democrats in order to appeal to the issues outside of typically progressive cities and states. They need to be able to compete with populists like Trump in those swing states by addressing the issues of the economy, immigration etc head on without the fear of losing their core support.

Honestly mate, I think the existence of echo chambers these days has done as much harm to democracy as anything else and unless main stream media are tied to a purely non-biased fact based reporting things will never be the same. It was too easy for Trump and his ilk to lie without fact check and these lies to take root.
People don't even debate the same facts anymore. Labour's strategy might not have worked at all if the Tories weren't so bad.

 

[BigDunc'sFod]

Yes it is though. The issue is they need to galvanise people who are their base *even if they do not realise it*

You will consistently see non-partisan progressive ballot measures do well even in deep red states, the democrats need to stop being such a blatantly establishment party and start providing a strong progressive platform with incredibly popular measures such as universal healthcare.

Not that I’m sure it matters that much now though, I’m bluntly not sure the US will have another election.

The majority of states that Harris won were relatively close.

The majority of states Trump won, there was a 2:1 ratio in his favour.

The base may be there on individual policy decisions, but this election was not a close call. Dems didn't even win the popular vote.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Can this result be explained by simply stupidity ,racism and mysogyny of the electorate?

Probably not . Probably too simplistic but what does it tell us about Americans that are prepared to put perceived personal financial interest as more important than putting someone like Trump back into the White House.

It will be interesting to see the analysis of the GE, but I suspect immigration and security will feature highly, as will the economy. This and how he has mobilised right wing influence to stoke fear, whilst keeping the culture war narrative, trans talking points bubbling.

We'll have the pleasure of Farage being pumped by this and doubling down on his usual spin. He'll most likely be supported by those that helped Trump too.

If the cons see this as a threat to their base the next few years could be very distasteful. What a time to be alive.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

What makes you at all believe Russia will accept one currently? On record as at all the highest levels in saying a frozen Korean like settlement is not an option.

There has to be an end to the killing. Russia will be looking to keep its land bridge to Crimea and control of the Sea of Azov and the Donbas region.

Ukraine’s only bargaining chip atm is the region of the Kursk oblast that they’ve captured.

I think Trumps people will be pushing both sides hard for a compromised solution. I don’t think he will allow Ukraine to join NATO so that’s another one on Putins list ticked off.

Whatever the outcome I think both sides will be sitting down around the table sometime in the first half of 2025.

 

[Lapeno77]

It’s not that I don’t like her laugh, I just don’t think that type of presentation is going to assist someone that is in competition to become president of the United States.

In competition with a man who performs fellatio on a microphone and struggles to open the door to a vehicle.

Down with laughter

 

[coollino]

An intersection of many things. There is this increasing narrative that Democrats do nothing for the working class, and this is a recent narrative since traditionally the working class has been the base of Democrat support. It is also pretty clear that Kamala Harris didn't resonate well with swing-voters. The issues of the economy and taxes loom large and this was better emphasized by Trump (or so it seems). And while Republicans are largely a united party on issues, the Democrats are more like a coalition, so people opt in/out to vote on issues (e.g., the middle east). There are probably other reasons as well, but one that remains massively puzzling (speaking as someone who finds Trump utterly repulsive and corrupt) is Trump's charisma and cult-like support among his base.

I will note with some surprise that KH didn't even win the popular vote. I anticipated it being closer (@emir was correct about the popular vote).

It's the same with the charisma thing in the UK too with Johnson and Farage I guess, if you talk in sound bites and get away with saying what you want then it's just charisma

Obviously they are very different to dull,stiff, politicians but saying anything, including lies shouldn't be just down to 'charisma' the way it is

 

[BigDunc'sFod]

Honestly mate, I think the existence of echo chambers these days has done as much harm to democracy as anything else and unless main stream media are tied to a purely non-biased fact based reporting things will never be the same. It was too easy for Trump and his ilk to lie without fact check and these lies to take root.
People don't even debate the same facts anymore. Labour's strategy might not have worked at all if the Tories weren't so bad.

News as entertainment is a long-standing issue in many countries

 

[tsubaki]

Agree or disagree with the state of the current Labour Party, I think they’re a good example of how you can win an election by occupying the centre ground and addressing some of the fears and issues of people who might vote for Tory/Reform. They won enough of those people over just by pandering to the viewpoint a bit and not operating within an echo chamber. I’d personally prefer the PLP to be further left but my own opinion is that you need to be in government to make progressive changes.

I think the same lessons could be learned by the Democrats in order to appeal to the issues outside of typically progressive cities and states. They need to be able to compete with populists like Trump in those swing states by addressing the issues of the economy, immigration etc head on without the fear of losing their core support.

They’ve got a busy few weeks / months ahead now - they’ve got to do something serious about political lobbying, social media, political funding and media ownership generally. This is in addition to sorting out housing, energy, inequality, defence so on whilst staying on the right side of the White House and Europe.

Fix most of that and they’ll walk the next election, especially if the second Trump term is a massive grift that sees Vance or whoever succeeds him get a kicking off an enraged, impoverished and betrayed electorate. Don’t fix it and they’ll see huge tides of money flowing to every reactionary scumbag on this side of the pond.

 

[RAFUH]

Fairs fair, @emir.

@RAFUH, you know what to do!

I'm not banning anyone. Wouldn't have banned @emir either although doubt he will believe that. I never agreed to it...and at this time I do still have some self determination. Frankly found it ridiculous.

If you want to quit posting totally your call as it would have been his.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Time for the Democrats to bring through the Squad to take the battle to MAGA.

Good look with that after their resounding win in the election not to mention having full control of the senate as well.

 

[carolinablue232]

Can this result be explained by simply stupidity ,racism and mysogyny of the electorate?

Probably not . Probably too simplistic but what does it tell us about Americans that are prepared to put perceived personal financial interest as more important than putting someone like Trump back into the White House.

Maybe both to an extent, but people vote with their wallets. When all the exit polls confirmed the economy as a top priority while also highlighting a majority said they were better off 4 years ago, writing was on the wall. Didn’t want to believe it, but it was there.

It’s reboot time for the Dems now. They really need to decide who they want to be. Either come back to the center left or go all the way to the far left. Trying to appease everyone and fearing offense to anyone that might like them for certain things isn’t going to work anymore. Pick your leaders now and get them ready.

 

[bluestevon]

There has to be an end to the killing. Russia will be looking to keep its land bridge to Crimea and control of the Sea of Azov and the Donbas region.

Be surprised if Russia won't insist in at least autonomy-handing over for all the areas historically part of Novorissiya

Ukraine’s only bargaining chip atm is the region of the Kursk oblast that they’ve captured.

Which is becoming smaller by the day, it's also ultimately bleeding them dry of their better equipment and trained personnel. But yeah it's pretty much the only card they have

I think Trumps people will be pushing both sides hard for a compromised solution. I don’t think he will allow Ukraine to join NATO so that’s another one on Putins list ticked off.

Depends on Trump's stance and who he has in the administration, if he fills it with neocons then it's a different conversation entirely to if they are kept out the discussions.

What his stance will be on NATO full stop is the even bigger question longer term. His focus has always been on China as the biggest threat to US primacy (correctly so)

Whatever the outcome I think both sides will be sitting down around the table sometime in the first half of 2025.

Be surprised if conversations don't start very soon behind closed doors at least.

Ultimately only time will show the effects of the election, all the above is just speculation ofc.

As I've said though I'm not doing cartwheels as Trump is very much unpredictable in the worst meaning of the word so it's anyones guess what it means for anything outside ofc of his unlimited support for Israel.

 

[neil999]

Are there any 'reasonable' republicans in the Senate who will challenge Trump on anything?