Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[mezzrow]

This morning, I have been urging my happy Trumper friends to temper their urge to gloat and to realize the degree of hurt and disbelief we see from the many people we love who are facing the future with no small degree of fear and loathing. It's time to come to the center. It's time to start to heal.

Remember, he'll never win another election and there is a far greater than trivial chance he will not finish his term.
Offering a compassionate hug to any of my many progressive friends here who will accept it this morning. Let's make the future better together.

 

[GoldenToffee]

D'oh!

 

[Toffeepot]

That feels unfair. In the main, people vote to improve their owns lives. If you can't or won't acknowledge that need, they won't vote for you..

Being intelligent does not correlate with being more electable.

They are clearly ill informed, because they have voted for someone who will not improve their own lives. If they took the time to check his actual policy positions they would know that. The fact they didn't take the time to check that and instead got caught up in his reality tv style campaign makes them stupid, because they have enabled monstrous policies and the stripping away of rights. That's before the international harm they have enabled and likely don't care about.

So no, it's not unfair. Unfair is not taking your vote seriously when it affects so many people negatively, including US women. Presumably these dopes have sisters, mothers, daughters etc but 'owning the libs' is a victory or something.

I look forward to watching them have minimum wage increases further blocked, unions busted, workers rights stripped and overtime removed. They'll probably still blame the people waiting for legal processing of their immigration status because they believe a proven liar.

 

[Efcjake]

Think that's the death of American exceptionalism.

What a horrific place to vote that man in twice.

 

[TheBigIguana]

They're going to love Trump's Israel stance then as Gaza is cleared out for luxury condos
Misogyny was the main reason for his victory
The 1.4 men he got for every woman she got will soon find out that they were voting against their own interests

The only winners here are Trump, the people he will install for the grift and power, Putin and Netanyahu/Gvir

Stupid af electorate. Pro fascist unhinged narcissist rather than have an intelligent woman lead

The thing is though a lot of the men will be fine. I mean maybe Trump does something so dumb that it actually does it middle class white men and they do actually care enough to swing something but it probably won’t. If you’re voting just for yourself, and Americans as a largely selfish society mostly are, it’s actually quite logical to want him in charge in some ways.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Centrist in the US is surely much further to the right of what that is here/Europe. Perhaps the Democrats need to lean further to the right than they think they need to do occupy more of that centre ground.

It’s really the opposite, they need to be properly liberal so everyone sees what that looks like and stops voting on shades of gray.

 

[bluestevon]

Can this result be explained by simply stupidity ,racism and mysogyny of the electorate?

Probably not . Probably too simplistic but what does it tell us about Americans that are prepared to put perceived personal financial interest as more important than putting someone like Trump back into the White House.

Tells us that like in practically every election going, the economy matters more than anything to the majority of people.

There's a reason Thatcher won 4 terms or Reagan won a landslide second term. Both ensured enough people economically benefited in the places that they needed to stay in power

 

[Toffeepot]

Is the voting demographic on men to women any different to other historical elections though,

yes. The gender gap is far more pronounced

 

[davek]

Also, I think a lot of people get surprised when their echo chamber isn’t reflective of society as a whole.

The optics were out of whack for me too with the Harris campaign. The big events she had with celebrity endorsements: I questioned it on here and said it's a turn off for voters but others told me that it was a proven way of getting a message across.

The whole Harris campaign now feels like a blur of Beyonce, J.Lo, Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift etc etc.

Utter nonsense that turns more people off than on.

I think in Harris's case it was to camouflage the fact that she's a terrible speaker with zero charisma.

 

[Seanjd]

It’s really the opposite, they need to be properly liberal so everyone sees what that looks like and stops voting on shades of gray.

I don’t think the current political climate of the world would allow for them to be properly liberal. Communist is such a dirty with in the US and is used as ammunition against the current party, never mind if they were to move to the left. They would never win over those swing states they need in this political climate.

 

[davek]

Putting all the focus on safeguarding democracy rather than the economy is probably right at the top.

Yes. It's always the economy. How on earth could they not see that?

They had nothing to offer other than some greenshoot inflation figures.

They could've limited the loss though.

 

[Toffeepot]

Centrist in the US is surely much further to the right of what that is here/Europe. Perhaps the Democrats need to lean further to the right than they think they need to do occupy more of that centre ground.

They already did in this election by aligning with more centrist republicans against the far right. Didn't work. Americans have forgotten what they fought against in WWII and far more like the idea of concentration camps and/or deportations than many imagined

 

[davek]

They're going to love Trump's Israel stance then as Gaza is cleared out for luxury condos
Misogyny was the main reason for his victory
The 1.4 men he got for every woman she got will soon find out that they were voting against their own interests

The only winners here are Trump, the people he will install for the grift and power, Putin and Netanyahu/Gvir

Stupid af electorate. Pro fascist unhinged narcissist rather than have an intelligent woman lead

That's a lightweight analysis that completely lets off the hook the Democratic elite for choosing Harris.

 

[d34noj]

The optics were out of whack for me too with the Harris campaign. The big events she had with celebrity endorsements: I questioned it on here and said it's a turn off for voters but others told me that it was a proven way of getting a message across.

The whole Harris campaign now feels like a blur of Beyonce, J.Lo, Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift etc etc.

Utter nonsense that turns more people off than on.

I think in Harris's case it was to camouflage the fact that she's a terrible speaker with zero charisma.

Who better to listen to than 2 of the most repugnant women imaginable.

As for celebrity endorsement, I sat on my vote till I heard what Dappy from N-Dubz had to say about immigration & the economy.

 

[Toffeepot]

The thing is though a lot of the men will be fine. I mean maybe Trump does something so dumb that it actually does it middle class white men and they do actually care enough to swing something but it probably won’t. If you’re voting just for yourself, and Americans as a largely selfish society mostly are, it’s actually quite logical to want him in charge in some ways.

Not the working class though