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But seriously would it be war. How many Americans, British or French would trade nuclear bombs for the sake of Estonia…would you ? The time for NATO to have stepped up to the mark was over Ukraine saying there will be no war in Europe. Putin mentioned nuclear weapons and the west crapped itself. Putin knows that he can do the same trick again on any country, even within NATO and get away with it...bit by bit. We are watching history repeat itself by not facing down a bully early enough.…..
Yes, it would be a war
It wouldn't start with a nuclear exchange.
NATO has never failed to protect another NATO country from invasion
The west didn't crap itself, it actually increased sanctions
Putin knows he can't try it on a NATO country and get away with it.

Other than that, you are pretty much right
 
Yes, it would be a war
It wouldn't start with a nuclear exchange.
NATO has never failed to protect another NATO country from invasion
The west didn't crap itself, it actually increased sanctions
Putin knows he can't try it on a NATO country and get away with it.

Other than that, you are pretty much right
NATO didn't get involved in the Falklands due to the introduction of a handy sub-clause that meant attacks only "really" counted if they were in certain parts of the world.
 
I think a skirmish in the south Atlantic and what putin is doing are very different things in the eyes of nato
You see? It's already proven itself to be far from the universal "defend, come what may" alliance people believe it to be to one that only holds under certain circumstances. Regardless of whether you believe Britain should have the Falklands or not, it was nonetheless an invasion of a NATO territory by a non-NATO state.
 
The rhetoric has largely been all or nothing so far: WW3 or continue with small reactive shipments/aid of arms and hope that Ukraine miraculously wins. There should be a better middle ground but exactly what could this be? It's tough to talk about "middle ground" when any proactive step into that terrain would be viewed as escalation by Russia. I don't think appeasing Putin is the strategy, such as just saying "you can have the Donbas and Crimea and other locales" as he doesn't deserve an off-ramp that assumes he is a rational leader who can still play on the world stage; that said, from a purely humanitarian perspective, that might be the only play to make in order to end all the murder/death/destruction, even if it isn't a sound geopolitical one. Territorial appeasement also sends a dangerous message to China, who's major interest in this conflict has been to see how this reshapes their Taiwan policy. My sense is that US/NATO diplomats should be working on China right now, more so than Russia. Putin hasn't shown any good-faith negotiating ability so why keep trying that route?—Putin just keeps doubling down. To me, only with a major player such as China will any headway be made. But of course no one wants to sacrifice Taiwan to save the Ukraine, as I suspect that every time China is petitioned for assistance, this is what they bring up.

I don't find the idea of Putin threatening other NATO countries tenable right now. I'm sure in Putin's mind, he fantasizes about revanchism and imagines himself shirtless riding a horse into an Estonian village valiantly gifting his gold watch to a cheering and hungry citizen, but this is probably less of a threat than initially feared given how poorly the Russian military has performed against countries 20x smaller. I can't imagine Russia trying to threaten a Baltic state--the military might and the resolve of the Russian people doesn't seem to be there (which doesn't necessarily prevent Putin from ordering this nevertheless).
 
You see? It's already proven itself to be far from the universal "defend, come what may" alliance people believe it to be to one that only holds under certain circumstances. Regardless of whether you believe Britain should have the Falklands or not, it was nonetheless an invasion of a NATO territory by a non-NATO state.
No, sorry, I do not believe for a minute we even bothered with NATO in the Falklands.
 
Did the UK ask NATO to get involved? Genuine question, I don't know the answer

I think we asked the US for intelligence sharing and logistical help and got it. On the flipside of the coin they requested France stop arming and equipping the Argentine air force and were refused. I'm not aware any specific request was put in for NATO action. But then I'm not sure how that works.
 
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