Current Affairs Ukraine

[Kev The Rat]

I don't think they are fascists. Kev just jumped on the whataboutery train, but has ridden it so long he can't get off and has just decided to ride it to the bitter end.

Davek is just a tit

There’s no whataboutery on my part. Russia has every right to deal with the illegal maidan coup and subsequent violence against pro Russian sections of the population in the southeast of the country.

 

[Kurt.]

About to put a mod on ignore

Interesting

Seriously, are you allowed out on your own ?

 

[Tipp blue]

There’s no whataboutery on my part. Russia has every right to deal with the illegal maidan coup and subsequent violence against pro Russian sections of the population in the southeast of the country.

The pro Russian sections of the population were planted by the Russian government.. this is widely known, making this an excuse for that can't be used for this war.. you are using a Russian staged event and saying Russia have every right to deal with it violently. Not 1 reason for this war that Russia have given makes any sense.. except for that time Putin was comparing it to historical campaigns by Catherine and Alexander. Accidentally letting the truth slip..

 

[Tramps_mate]

I think that's right. The rancid old get should be in a prison cell by now but he won't be going in one, so all talk of him not being on the ballot paper at the 2024 general election is nonsense. The only question is who he'll face. Biden is favourite of course, but polling suggests that he's not who the Democratic base want. Any candidate other then Biden and Trump will be beaten, but if it's Biden v Trump - that's a toss up.

In the event it is Trump v Biden then Ukraine is going to be a major policy issue between the two. Biden's words today at the UN shows he's doubling down on Ukraine and he'll be bending arms on Capitol Hill for more financial packages for Kyiv. That'll play into Trump's hands who'll make, I would guess, noises in support of Ukraine but oppose big time increases in US tax dollars going into the struggle.

Once the starting gun goes off with the primaries in the new year attitudes to this war and US spending on it is likely to dominate proceedings and it'll be a key determinant of who takes the WH.

It's quite staggering that in a country with a population of 300 million, Trump and Biden are the only two candidates for president. And that both parties only have those two for leaders!!

 

[Drico]

I agree with the Clinton thing and the dismissal of large swathes of lower income / poor Americans by self styled political progressives has often been absolutely disgraceful.

But excellent business acumen? Breaking down any old boys networks? It was nationalist populism at it's worst. There was no interest whatsoever in bettering the long term prospects of the 'common man'. The short term Wall St friendly noise he espoused was was aimed entirely at keeping the rich rich, bolstering his ego and settling personal scores at the expense of anyone who wasn't him.

Exactly, Trump - the pretend billionaire with a trail of failed businesses behind him - is an utter charlatan. He had such great business acumen he wouldn't publish his tax returns. Clinton said the quiet thing out loud: the "common man", in this context (the white working class used to having the whip hand), is an imbecile - and racist with it. And that's why Trump STILL stands a reasonable chance of winning another term.

As per Mark Twain (via Huckleberry Finn): "Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side? And ain't that a big enough majority in any town?”

 

[Kev The Rat]

The pro Russian sections of the population were planted by the Russian government.. this is widely known, making this an excuse for that can't be used for this war.. you are using a Russian staged event and saying Russia have every right to deal with it violently. Not 1 reason for this war that Russia have given makes any sense.. except for that time Putin was comparing it to historical campaigns by Catherine and Alexander. Accidentally letting the truth slip..

And yet we had overwhelming majorities voting to join Crimea and then the other oblasts after that

All held at gunpoint natch

 

[Drico]

I can see your side but as he assembled some of the best minds from Wall Street for insight It led to a period of wealth creation for many. What I meant from the old boy network was the previous Bush and Obama admins. Egotist yes and became his eventually downfall.

How GDP Growth Under Trump Compares To Clinton, Obama And Other Presidents

With the presidential election less than a week away, Americans are weighing the two presidential candidates and choosing which is best for the country over the next four years --if they haven't already voted.One way they can do that is by looking back on the first term of President Donald Trump...

finance.yahoo.com

As per the above: In his eight years in office, U.S. GDP growth averaged 1.62% under Obama, about 70% higher than Trump’s growth rate.

Here’s a look at average GDP growth rates under the last six U.S. presidents:

• Jimmy Carter (D): 3.25%
• Ronald Reagan (R): 3.48%
• George H.W. Bush (R): 2.25%
• Bill Clinton (D): 3.88%
• George W. Bush (R): 2.2%
• Barack Obama (D): 1.62%
• Donald Trump (R): 0.95%

In his first four years in office, Trump has had by far the lowest average U.S. GDP growth rate of any of the last seven U.S. presidents.

Like everything else with Trump, his "success" is a myth. Rulers used to distract with bread and circuses. With Trump, it's only a circus.

Here's a BBC article giving a broader take:

US 2020 election: The economy under Trump in six charts

President Trump claims he has been responsible for the strongest US economy ever. What do the numbers show?

www.bbc.com

He piggy-backed on Obama's work, claimed any success for himself, and blamed his predecessor for any problems. I'm amazed anybody still falls for this nonsense.

If Trump has been successful for anybody, it is in lowering taxes for rich white people. Poor white people love to delude themselves they can take the crumbs from that table - if only they can reinforce that table.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Cheap Russian energy is only one part of it. With Russia's military exports likely to suffer, the growing industries in China and India will be licking their lips.

Russia will become more and more subservient even if on the face of it they'll continue to pump their chest and pretend they're imperious.

Let’s put it another way. As far as I can see the west is desperate for China to reign Russia in. That won’t be happening while they gain the benefits of easy trade.

Every man for himself, as it should be.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

There’s no whataboutery on my part. Russia has every right to deal with the illegal maidan coup and subsequent violence against pro Russian sections of the population in the southeast of the country.

So why are they murdering and raping kids in other areas?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The pro Russian sections of the population were planted by the Russian government.. this is widely known, making this an excuse for that can't be used for this war.. you are using a Russian staged event and saying Russia have every right to deal with it violently. Not 1 reason for this war that Russia have given makes any sense.. except for that time Putin was comparing it to historical campaigns by Catherine and Alexander. Accidentally letting the truth slip..

And the admission that the colonial conquest would bring riches through the theft of resources.

 

[Kev The Rat]

And the admission that the colonial conquest would bring riches through the theft of resources.

Yawn

As if Russia doesn’t have enough resources of its own

 

[Prevenger17]

The pro Russian sections of the population were planted by the Russian government.. this is widely known, making this an excuse for that can't be used for this war.. you are using a Russian staged event and saying Russia have every right to deal with it violently. Not 1 reason for this war that Russia have given makes any sense.. except for that time Putin was comparing it to historical campaigns by Catherine and Alexander. Accidentally letting the truth slip..

Tipp, you're barking up the wrong tree. The timeline of Kev's thought process

• The war will be over in a week, Zelensky paraded around in chains and Ukraine subsumed back into Russia
• The war will be over in 2 weeks
• Ok the war might take a few months. The Ukraine should give up and stop all this needless slaughter
• Russia doesn't need that boat.
• Or that boat
• Actually, it's not a war, it's a quest to de-nazify the Ukraine. Putin is a genius
• Actually, it's not a quest to de-nazify the Ukraine, it's an operation to take back small Ukrainian towns with Russians living in them and it was all along. Putin is a genius
• It's a proxy war against the west and the US, and will be won on the battlefield of ideas. Ukraine should give up and Zelensky is corrupt. Russia has never seen it's like

You're almost better off covering yourself in baby oil and trying to catch an eel with your bare hands

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

There are an interesting series of threads regarding the colonies, and ethnic peoples currently still under the boot of the Russian empire, under #RussiaDecolonized

Here is one, it may be of interest to some.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Russia on fire again. Drones have hit an oil depot in Sochi.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Russians trying to relieve Africa of her resources are now coming under attack from drones in Sudan.