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@Kev The Rat

So why are they murdering and raping kids in other areas?

 

[davek]

It's quite staggering that in a country with a population of 300 million, Trump and Biden are the only two candidates for president. And that both parties only have those two for leaders!!

Both those parties are atrophied. The failure of the Democrats to ensure Biden is a one-term president underlines they're every bit as stuck in the past as the GOP.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[davek]

It looks like Zelensky has an uphill task in Washington for his demand for more long range missiles...and the Republicans aren't any more likely to agree to bigger funding when he's challenging Trump like this.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/19/politics/zelensky-ukraine-russia-congress-trump-cnntv/index.html

Honestly, between that clown and the other loose cannon Kuleba hitting out at other countries they offer no sort of diplomatic clout to improve Ukraine's chances.

As for his comment about "being on the winning line" - I mean FFS, does he actually think that nonsense is going to be swallowed by hard bitten senators on Capitol Hill.

 

[WA Toffee]

There’s no whataboutery on my part. Russia has every right to deal with the illegal maidan coup and subsequent violence against pro Russian sections of the population in the southeast of the country.

Oh, you have had a lot of whataboutery. What about NATO doing this. What about the US doing that. What about the UK doing the other.

Your whole persona in this thread was initially built on whataboutery - but you have ridden that train for so long you now don't know how to get off. Or you actually believe it is going to the correct destination, which would be even worse.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Oh, you have had a lot of whataboutery. What about NATO doing this. What about the US doing that. What about the UK doing the other.

Your whole persona in this thread was initially built on whataboutery - but you have ridden that train for so long you now don't know how to get off. Or you actually believe it is going to the correct destination, which would be even worse.

I’m not going to bother to respond to any of that

 

[tsubaki]

Both those parties are atrophied. The failure of the Democrats to ensure Biden is a one-term president underlines they're every bit as stuck in the past as the GOP.

The failure was in 2016, when the utter failure of the Clinton campaign should have changed the guard. It didn’t, and so here we are.

 

[tsubaki]

There’s no whataboutery on my part. Russia has every right to deal with the illegal maidan coup and subsequent violence against pro Russian sections of the population in the southeast of the country.

What right allows a country to intervene against a coup in another country again?

 

[WA Toffee]

I’m not going to bother to respond to any of that

You just did

 

[Drico]

Tipp, you're barking up the wrong tree. The timeline of Kev's thought process

• The war will be over in a week, Zelensky paraded around in chains and Ukraine subsumed back into Russia
• The war will be over in 2 weeks
• Ok the war might take a few months. The Ukraine should give up and stop all this needless slaughter
• Russia doesn't need that boat.
• Or that boat
• Actually, it's not a war, it's a quest to de-nazify the Ukraine. Putin is a genius
• Actually, it's not a quest to de-nazify the Ukraine, it's an operation to take back small Ukrainian towns with Russians living in them and it was all along. Putin is a genius
• It's a proxy war against the west and the US, and will be won on the battlefield of ideas. Ukraine should give up and Zelensky is corrupt. Russia has never seen it's like

You're almost better off covering yourself in baby oil and trying to catch an eel with your bare hands

And the final bullet to take him full circle:

• The war will go on forever.

 

[Kurt.]

I’m not going to bother to respond to any of that

He’s invading you there kev…. You have a right to defend yourself… or should you just roll over and let him take your dignity ?

 

[Tipp blue]

And yet we had overwhelming majorities voting to join Crimea and then the other oblasts after that

All held at gunpoint natch

yea 96% in Crimea.. Do you really believe those numbers?... especialy when ethnic Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars accounted for almost 40% of the population... I can assure you that no referendum that is about Joining another country will pass by that margin without major curruption.

 

[PKwalnuts]

I'm struggling to equate his "Every man for himself" comment with the rest of his narrative

 

[PKwalnuts]

Let’s put it another way. As far as I can see the west is desperate for China to reign Russia in. That won’t be happening while they gain the benefits of easy trade.

Every man for himself, as it should be.

 

[Kev The Rat]

You just did

Fascinating