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[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Obviously the manpower is the Ukro fodder.

In terms of weaponry what they are getting at is the inability to produce enough to make a difference to actually put Ukraine in position to threaten Russias presence in the areas it presently controls.

If they can’t, then ultimately capitulation is inevitable due to the continued imbalance in weapons manufacture

What are you smoking Kev? Running out of munitions won’t be the problem the manpower might. Then Putin will pick on another poor soul. No telling who that maybe. Russia is on a mission that will not end well.

 

[peteblue]

Obviously the manpower is the Ukro fodder.

In terms of weaponry what they are getting at is the inability to produce enough to make a difference to actually put Ukraine in position to threaten Russias presence in the areas it presently controls.

If they can’t, then ultimately capitulation is inevitable due to the continued imbalance in weapons manufacture

I’m sorry, but while the west no doubt was holding limited stocks, certainly the U.K. and US governments have already placed orders especially for the 155mm shells. The U.K. alone is increasing production with additional lines at it manufacturing plants to generate an 8 fold increase in volume. Again another negative result for Russia is the fact that production is gearing up throughout the west, both to support Ukraine and its own stocks……

 

[Kev The Rat]

What are you smoking Kev? Running out of munitions won’t be the problem the manpower might. Then Putin will pick on another poor soul. No telling who that maybe. Russia is on a mission that will not end well.

Did I say they would ‘run out’ as in - go to zero?

No, I said they’d never produce enough to outgun Russia

 

[dublinbluenose]

Obviously the manpower is the Ukro fodder.

In terms of weaponry what they are getting at is the inability to produce enough to make a difference to actually put Ukraine in position to threaten Russias presence in the areas it presently controls.

If they can’t, then ultimately capitulation is inevitable due to the continued imbalance in weapons manufacture

Russia has huge stock piles of shells. The Ukrainians have spent the last 6 weeks destroying the means of delivering those shells in Southern Ukraine, other than blind firing (which there is plenty of evidence thay are reluctant to even provide artillery support to infantry for fear of giving away their position and getting blown up.)

If the US gave them ATACAMS (which they are reluctant to do, one can only assume that they dont want to give China a chance to examine their delivery paths) then Russia would have to fall back probably at least 50k-100km - certainly anything of value.

 

[peteblue]

Did I say they would ‘run out’ as in - go to zero?

No, I said they’d never produce enough to outgun Russia

I think you completely underestimate the ability of the West to produce weapon systems and munitions…with its 960million population versus 140million and a GDP at least x10 bigger, I’m pretty confident having come from the Defence Industry that what needs to be done will be done…….

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Did I say they would ‘run out’ as in - go to zero?

No, I said they’d never produce enough to outgun Russia

Kev seriously now. When the F-16 appear this won’t bode well for the occupation of Crimea. Also, it will put more Russian aviation at risk. They can’t build enough if they don’t have western parts we all know this and the black market and China will have to be utilized. Logistics take time to change. Remember the blackmailing Countries relying on their energy needs it didn’t work out like Oligarchs expected. Now they are hunted by their leader and Western nations. Example look at the carnage in tanks it will take a decade to replace that fodder. Ukraine have just protected a land excursion on NATO. Expect more accidents deep in Russia on factories until this madness stops. Slowly this phase of the special operation could last years and years. Putin will hope to live that long to see its conclusion. Yet China grows stronger along with India Receiving ridiculous low prices for oil and gas. How many of Putin inner circle are safe? That’s the big question. Madness.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Kev seriously now. When the F-16 appear this won’t bode well for the occupation of Crimea. Also, it will put more Russian aviation at risk. They can’t build enough if they don’t have western parts we all know this and the black market and China will have to be utilized. Logistics take time to change. Remember the blackmailing Countries relying on their energy. Example look at the carnage in tanks it will take a decade to replace that fodder. Ukraine have just protected a land excursion on NATO. Expect more accidents deep in Russia on factories until this madness stops. Slowly this phase of the special operation could last years and years. Putin will hope to live that long to see its conclusion.

Fair enough carry on with your fantasy island predictions. Putin is not going to withdraw his troops because of a few pin pricks inside Russia. Even the Japanese in their death throes of ww2 were sending balloon bombs to the USA some of which caused damage.

Tbf I suspect a lot of this is scripted anyway via back channel agreements as I mentioned earlier, with Russia being allowed to retain what they have as part of a non escalation agreement

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Fair enough carry on with your fantasy island predictions. Putin is not going to withdraw his troops because of a few pin pricks inside Russia. Even the Japanese in their death throes of ww2 were sending balloon bombs to the USA some of which caused damage.

Tbf I suspect a lot of this is scripted anyway via back channel agreements as I mentioned earlier, with Russia being allowed to retain what they have as part of a non escalation agreement

Fair enough. Your rebuttal has merit but Mother Russia is weaker than it was a year ago and will continue to erode in the coming years if they continue this outdated Special Operation. Economics will have the ultimate say anyway. Will the West blink first we will see as this has become bigger than Ukraine.

 

[peteblue]

What are you smoking Kev? Running out of munitions won’t be the problem the manpower might. Then Putin will pick on another poor soul. No telling who that maybe. Russia is on a mission that will not end well.

That idiot Medvedev is already fixing his eyes on ‘annexing’ the two breakaway Georgian regions. No doubt he will say, after Ukraine have pushed Russia out, ‘our special military operation was a complete success in Ukraine to rid it of neo Nazis, now we must turn our attention onto Georgia’……the Russians will as always lap it up……

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

That idiot Medvedev is already fixing his eyes on ‘annexing’ the two breakaway Georgian regions. No doubt he will say, after Ukraine have pushed Russia out, ‘our special military operation was a complete success in Ukraine to rid it of neo Nazis, now we must turn our attention onto Georgia’……the Russians will as always lap it up……

Exactly right. I was told from a fairly reliable source that Ukraine has now more tanks available to them than the Occupiers. Many had been captured and has been refurbished to go the other way. I know the western media is as bad as the Russian mouthpieces but Putin isn’t getting the most reliable information It seems, thus his removal of his top brass advisors. Blind leading the blind.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I think you completely underestimate the ability of the West to produce weapon systems and munitions…with its 960million population versus 140million and a GDP at least x10 bigger, I’m pretty confident having come from the Defence Industry that what needs to be done will be done…….

And Russia having to use WW2 equipment.

Remember this.

Putin's 'one-tank' military parade was an embarrassment for Russia, analysts say

Russia's scaled-down Victory Day military parade highlighted the country's depleted resources.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

And Russia having to use WW2 equipment.

Remeber this.

Putin's 'one-tank' military parade was an embarrassment for Russia, analysts say

Russia's scaled-down Victory Day military parade highlighted the country's depleted resources.

www.cnbc.com

All western propaganda it seems as Kev thinks Russia is a lot stronger than we think as they conscript another 450k.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Poland showcases military might in a parade as war rages in neighboring Ukraine

NATO member Poland displayed its state-of-the-art weapons and defense systems at a massive military parade as war rages in neighboring Ukraine and ahead of parliamentary elections in two months.

apnews.com

Somebody is showing off. The rotters.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[Nightman]

If Ukraine was nuked by Russia, I agree there probably would not be an nuclear response from the West but we would be living in a very different world afterwards, with - one imagines - rather less global acquiescence in what they are doing and far more nuclear proliferation than we have now.

I agree with this. But I also don't think it will happen because Putin will know he'll be toast and he and his family personally have too much to lose.