Current Affairs Ukraine

[davids]

If only it was half. Russia v NATO has a predicted 97+% human extinction rate over 3 years due to the ensuing starvation due to nuclear winter. The Northern hemisphere is gone.

That's why a singular nuclear event probably wouldn't be responded to in kind. It's also why the Russians would be insane to escalate the nuclear route. Unless under direct attack themselves, there is a question as to the command being followed.

Putin=insane

 

[tsubaki]

The man has proved he's a total idiot. He invades Ukraine basically because he fears Nato expansion East,what does he get, Finland and Sweden joining up to make the border he needs to defend thousands of miles longer. He's a loose cannon who holds the codes to Russia's nuclear arsenal. If you don't think he has the balls to use it well we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Like Hitler did he has surrounded himself with acolytes who will gladly give their lives for him, Medvedev is if anything crazier than he is,don't expect an in house assassination before he goes for total world destruction.

Sorry for repeating myself, but I would really question that statement - I know its what they have said repeatedly, but that does not mean it is true.

What he probably fears is not NATO expansion (I mean, Ukraine was very unlikely to be invited pre-2014 and never was after it), but EU expansion. He has watched what has happened to Poland, the Baltics and most of Eastern Europe since admission, and more importantly he knows his population has watched it too.

If Ukraine had gone into the EU trade pact (the last minute rejection of which triggered this tragedy), they would almost certainly have seen a lot less obvious corruption and an increase in the standard of living for most of the population. The inevitable outcome of this would have been elements within the Russian population thinking why they couldn't have that too; indeed that still might happen if the Serbs and Turks join (which I think is more likely now in terms of geopolitics and the need to protect the EU against anything crazy happening in the US in 2024).

So what he urgently needs is to put as much between the EU and Russia as possible; both domestically (by convincing the Russian population that the EU is both an enemy and merely a satellite of the US) and internationally (by appearing such a threat to the Baltics, Poland and others that they would block any moves for the EU and Russia under his rule to get closer together).

In short, having NATO battlegroups all along the border is not that much of a problem to him, given that they will never invade and the "threat" would support a paranoid state. Having prosperous EU member states along his border is much more of a problem to him, at least whilst people in Russia think they could have a part of that too (and they absolutely could).

 

[Yarrgh]

Putin=insane

Maybe. I wouldn't want to double guess him.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Interesting comments from a usually pro-nato/globalist source

Time and Logistics are Working Against Ukraine

Americans have grown up with the idea of the underdog. The dashing rebels that defeat a more powerful opponent through sheer determination and nobility is a staple cliche in popular culture. Unfortunately, the reality is that better-equipped armies usually beat those less equipped regardless of...

nationalinterest.org

Munitions, armaments, and manpower are the currency in this conflict, and the Western bloc is running out of all three. Russian drones, artillery, and air strikes have hammered Ukraine’s industrial base.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Interesting comments from a usually pro-nato/globalist source

Time and Logistics are Working Against Ukraine

Americans have grown up with the idea of the underdog. The dashing rebels that defeat a more powerful opponent through sheer determination and nobility is a staple cliche in popular culture. Unfortunately, the reality is that better-equipped armies usually beat those less equipped regardless of...

nationalinterest.org

Munitions, armaments, and manpower are the currency in this conflict, and the Western bloc is running out of all three. Russian drones, artillery, and air strikes have hammered Ukraine’s industrial base.

Morning Kev!

 

[davids]

Sorry for repeating myself, but I would really question that statement - I know its what they have said repeatedly, but that does not mean it is true.

What he probably fears is not NATO expansion (I mean, Ukraine was very unlikely to be invited pre-2014 and never was after it), but EU expansion. He has watched what has happened to Poland, the Baltics and most of Eastern Europe since admission, and more importantly he knows his population has watched it too.

If Ukraine had gone into the EU trade pact (the last minute rejection of which triggered this tragedy), they would almost certainly have seen a lot less obvious corruption and an increase in the standard of living for most of the population. The inevitable outcome of this would have been elements within the Russian population thinking why they couldn't have that too; indeed that still might happen if the Serbs and Turks join (which I think is more likely now in terms of geopolitics and the need to protect the EU against anything crazy happening in the US in 2024).

So what he urgently needs is to put as much between the EU and Russia as possible; both domestically (by convincing the Russian population that the EU is both an enemy and merely a satellite of the US) and internationally (by appearing such a threat to the Baltics, Poland and others that they would block any moves for the EU and Russia under his rule to get closer together).

In short, having NATO battlegroups all along the border is not that much of a problem to him, given that they will never invade and the "threat" would support a paranoid state. Having prosperous EU member states along his border is much more of a problem to him, at least whilst people in Russia think they could have a part of that too (and they absolutely could).

There is an economic element in the situation as you say but I still keep coming back to Putin portraying himself as the bare chested warrior tzar,the defender of the Russian people and scurge of the western alliances. He's a very dangerous individual and I don't want my grandchildren sacrificed ( or any more Ukrainian grandchildren) for political principles. If as reported in the American intelligence documents that were leaked which stated this would be a long drawn out stalemate and given that the Summer Offensive has won back little to no Ukrainian land then maybe for the greater good a ceasefire at the very least needs to be looked into.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

As was admitted by Prigozhin, Russia wanted to plunder Ukraines resources in much the same way that they are doing in Africa.

“The task was to divide material assets in Ukraine. There was widespread theft in the [industrial eastern Ukrainian territory of the] Donbas, but they wanted more.”

Russia’s Resource Grab in Ukraine

Ukraine’s extraordinary riches in energy, minerals, and agriculture are a prize for the Kremlin.

foreignpolicy.com

Also, as anyone who is not hooked on Puitins teat would understand.

“The Armed Forces of Ukraine were not going to attack Russia with the NATO bloc,”

It is simply more Russian imperialsim.

 

[tmgc]

How would anyone know if Birmingham was nuked?

A river of molten earings and radioactive hair grooming products would flow up the M6 from Villa Park.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

A river of molten earings and radioactive hair grooming products would flow up the M6 from Villa Park.

Birds would sing from the treetops!
The air, the AIR! So clear now. Like breathing in pure spring water.

 

[Walken]

fantasy land stuff.

well I assume you are talking about a dead hand equivalent where these isles are obliterated and nukes get fired off as some kind of fail-deadly response.

but we are well into all out nuclear war by that point.

MEIN FUHRER I CAN WALK

 

[LostLegend]

So what happens with Wagner Group now?

Will Putin try to stick his own (new) puppet leadership in place to get them back towing the line?

They were a handy resource for him to have, able to commit horrendous war crimes on his behalf whilst he can claim ignorance (Such as kidnapping Russian defectors from Ukrainian cities and executing them with sledgehammers), not to mention the wealth they take a cut of in Africa.

 

[Rita_Poon]

So what happens with Wagner Group now?

Will Putin try to stick his own (new) puppet leadership in place to get them back towing the line?

They were a handy resource for him to have, able to commit horrendous war crimes on his behalf whilst he can claim ignorance (Such as kidnapping Russian defectors from Ukrainian cities and executing them with sledgehammers), not to mention the wealth they take a cut of in Africa.

It'll be Seagal at this rate.

 

[COYBL25]

So what happens with Wagner Group now?

Will Putin try to stick his own (new) puppet leadership in place to get them back towing the line?

They were a handy resource for him to have, able to commit horrendous war crimes on his behalf whilst he can claim ignorance (Such as kidnapping Russian defectors from Ukrainian cities and executing them with sledgehammers), not to mention the wealth they take a cut of in Africa.

Comrade Kev and his Skype army shall fill the void.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Interesting comments from a usually pro-nato/globalist source

Time and Logistics are Working Against Ukraine

Americans have grown up with the idea of the underdog. The dashing rebels that defeat a more powerful opponent through sheer determination and nobility is a staple cliche in popular culture. Unfortunately, the reality is that better-equipped armies usually beat those less equipped regardless of...

nationalinterest.org

Munitions, armaments, and manpower are the currency in this conflict, and the Western bloc is running out of all three. Russian drones, artillery, and air strikes have hammered Ukraine’s industrial base.

There is absolutely no chance of the west running out of munitions or armaments. As for man power? What Western manpower are you talking about.

 

[Kev The Rat]

There is absolutely no chance of the west running out of munitions or armaments. As for man power? What Western manpower are you talking about.

Obviously the manpower is the Ukro fodder.

In terms of weaponry what they are getting at is the inability to produce enough to make a difference to actually put Ukraine in position to threaten Russias presence in the areas it presently controls.

If they can’t, then ultimately capitulation is inevitable due to the continued imbalance in weapons manufacture