Current Affairs Ukraine

[Martin Alvito]

Agreed - it’s a nightmare scenario, but if you examine it then NATO’s initial response is conventional, proportionate and not a direct physical attack on Russian cities or infrastructure.

So we’re back at the point whereby Russia then needs to either back off or make a Nuclear first strike on NATO as they at this point would not have the capability to launch any form of decisive conventional attack on NATO.

It's a direct attack on sovereignty. It lays them bare to the PLA. I would recommend stepping up the proxy war, instead. Commit to Ukraine's territorial integrity, including Crimea, and give them everything necessary to do it. I would rather slow roll it, and have Putin left with something resembling a military at the end when he capitulates.

That way is more expensive, but it also avoids the exchange of warshots.

 

[Martin Alvito]

*cackles* So it was a meeting of co-conspirators. Thought so. Explains why they were so angry.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

With subs

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

It's a direct attack on sovereignty. It lays them bare to the PLA. I would recommend stepping up the proxy war, instead. Commit to Ukraine's territorial integrity, including Crimea, and give them everything necessary to do it. I would rather slow roll it, and have Putin left with something resembling a military at the end when he capitulates.

That way is more expensive, but it also avoids the exchange of warshots.

I’d say they’re bare and open to the PLA already with between 90-95% of their regular contracted army resources deployed in Ukraine and Crimea.

Also try keeping the Poles out of the fight if radioactive material is drifting over their countryside and destroying their agriculture as a direct result of Russian shenanigans at ZPP.

If the ZPP goes up then the world changes for ever.

 

[Martin Alvito]

I’d say they’re bare and open to the PLA already with between 90-95% of their regular contracted army resources deployed in Ukraine and Crimea.

Also try keeping the Poles out of the fight if radioactive material is drifting over their countryside and destroying their agriculture as a direct result of Russian shenanigans at ZPP.

If the ZPP goes up then the world changes for ever.

The Poles and Romanians would not be happy, no. All we could do there is hope the wind remained out of the west, to trouble Rostov and Krasnodar instead.

A quick look says the wind is not as reliable about that in the region as it is in much of the continental US.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

The Poles and Romanians would not be happy, no. All we could do there is hope the wind remained out of the west, to trouble Rostov and Krasnodar instead.

A quick look says the wind is not as reliable about that in the region as it is in much of the continental US.

Poles are itching to get a game.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Russia has summarily executed at least 77 civilian detainees since its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, UN reports

The figure is, unfortunately, likely to be much higher, both because of areas still under occupation, and because the Russians also carried out on-the-spot summary executions

khpg.org

 

[dublinbluenose]

There are rumours Surovikin has been arrested by the FSB.

 

[Toffee_Loaf]

Not interested in what that dog whistling bellend has to say.

Russia won’t stop at Ukraine. You’re not on the right side of history, mate.

that's your right, but it does make most of those complaining about the cost of living hypocrites. If you support the sanctions and taxpayer funds going abroad, you can't at the same time complain that our government doesn't pay doctors and nurses enough. Nor can you complain about the cost of living since it is directly due to our sanctions resulting in massive shortages and costs of oils, grains and fertilisers that all came from Russia.

 

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[Martin Alvito]

I find that liars lie to themselves in ways that get them into trouble. It's the real reason honesty is the best policy.

 

[davids]

Poles are itching to get a game.

A game of what?

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

MSN

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Russia's WWII Camouflage Tactic to Protect Black Sea Fleet​

 

[Lobster Johnson]

that's your right, but it does make most of those complaining about the cost of living hypocrites. If you support the sanctions and taxpayer funds going abroad, you can't at the same time complain that our government doesn't pay doctors and nurses enough. Nor can you complain about the cost of living since it is directly due to our sanctions resulting in massive shortages and costs of oils, grains and fertilisers that all came from Russia.

I can absolutely do both. The right wing lunacy that has completely taken over the Tory party since the early 2000s deliberately keeps public sector salaries low as an ideology whilst deporting and blocking many of those who would be happy to do the job for that money.

They also have done precisely nothing towards divesting Britain from reliance on fossil fuels including Russian gas.

Spoiler, its possible for a government to do the right thing by Ukraine and still be wrong about almost everything else.

 

[roydo]

They also have done precisely nothing towards divesting Britain from reliance on fossil fuels including Russian gas.

Sorry mate, and I am no defender of this Govt, but the evidence in front of me suggests that is total bollox. Power lines are up and ready from Hinkley Point C nuclear power station; dozens of wind turbines are dotted around the Severn Estuary, solar panels are everywhere. Insulation grants a gogo, (including me).

Not even sure we have much of a reliance on Russian gas anyrate. Maybe we do, dunno.

Sake, the UK thread. Soz.