Current Affairs Ukraine

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Tucker asks, as I did several week ago here, why are we supporting this war again?

 

[davids]

I think NATO would treat that in the same way as a tactical nuke. Lets not forget that NATO probably have a better understanding of the Russia's intentions than most Russian generals - so we'd probably be able to verify their involvement very easily and react accordingly.

That raises the question of what Nato would do. Make a nuclear strike on Russia? Would the US make a wholesale nuclear attack?

 

[larrygobfiend]

Tucker asks, as I did several week ago here, why are we supporting this war again?

Not interested in what that dog whistling bellend has to say.

Russia won’t stop at Ukraine. You’re not on the right side of history, mate.

 

[davids]

Not interested in what that dog whistling bellend has to say.

Russia won’t stop at Ukraine. You’re not on the right side of history, mate.

It's taken what's getting close to two years for the Russian clown car of an army to take less than 20% of Ukraine. And yet you honestly believe that they would be capable of sweeping on through Poland and then the Baltic States? Poland has tractors so little chance of that ever happening.

 

[Martin Alvito]

When Henry Kissinger is the adult in the room the world has truly gone mad. Potentially the worst man in history. Top 10 for sure.

I would also add that Putin famously doesn't drink.

Which, I am afraid, is exactly what you want in a National Security Adviser.

 

[Prevenger17]

Tucker asks, as I did several week ago here, why are we supporting this war again?

Lol Tucker Carlson. HUGE if true

 

[Yarrgh]

That raises the question of what Nato would do. Make a nuclear strike on Russia? Would the US make a wholesale nuclear attack?

This is a hell of a question. If Russia stepped over that line, any nuclear response would escalate it and then it's game over for us all.

There would be a response, but I don't think it would be nuclear. We must be getting to a position where regime change in Russia could be encouraged such that it's a distinct opportunity for any rivals to Putin. Any use of nuclear weapon would be sufficient cause to strangle the Russian economy and isolate it and force that position to Putin's downfall.

With the fighting around Zaporizhzhia, there's potential for catastrophe and what happens if we don't know who hit it? A very good reason to call for a ceasefire in the area (which has been done from the start and appears to be futile).

 

[Lobster Johnson]

I personally know 3 people who've eaten at that pizza place in the last year. Thankfully, that's as close as I'll get to the war.

@toffee l

Lol Tucker Carlson. HUGE if true

Imagine Tucker Carlson being your go to source for information on what democracy is. The bad racist meff.

 

[Mrbluenose]

I like to think we are in the death throws of the Putin regime.

What follows is unlikely to be friendly, but hopefully it is more realistic.

 

[trueblue84]

Lol Tucker Carlson. HUGE if true

Imagine what the parents/grandparents/great grandparents of these freaks must think having fought in the 2nd world war against the Nazis, only to have the future generations they fought for calling everyone fascists for trying to stop them being fascists.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Imagine what the parents/grandparents/great grandparents of these freaks must think having fought in the 2nd world war against the Nazis, only to have the future generations they fought for calling everyone fascists for trying to stop them being fascists.

I think most of them, wherever they are, are glad they didn't stick around long enough to see it.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I think NATO would treat that in the same way as a tactical nuke. Let’s not forget that NATO probably have a better understanding of the Russia's intentions than most Russian generals - so we'd probably be able to verify their involvement very easily and react accordingly.

I think NATO have already made that decision.

If the Russians cause an incident at the ZPP that results in a radioactive leak then it would trigger article 5.

That being said the immediate response from NATO would be the total destruction of the Russian forces in Ukraine & Crimea including the Black Sea fleet.

Thing is what happens next - how would Russia respond to that?

 

[Martin Alvito]

I think NATO have already made that decision.

If the Russians cause an incident at the ZPP that results in a radioactive leak then it would trigger article 5.

That being said the immediate response from NATO would be the total destruction of the Russian forces in Ukraine & Crimea including the Black Sea fleet.

Thing is what happens next - how would Russia respond to that?

That last question is why I'm not sure that's the reply. The problem NATO faces is that any escalation sits at the top of a slippery slope that could easily lead to a full nuclear exchange. Doing nothing is probably a political impossibility, but doing any proportionate something comes attached to an enormous risk.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

That last question is why I'm not sure that's the reply. The problem NATO faces is that any escalation sits at the top of a slippery slope that could easily lead to a full nuclear exchange. Doing nothing is probably a political impossibility, but doing any proportionate something comes attached to an enormous risk.

Agreed - it’s a nightmare scenario, but if you examine it then NATO’s initial response is conventional, proportionate and not a direct physical attack on Russian cities or infrastructure.

So we’re back at the point whereby Russia then needs to either back off or make a Nuclear first strike on NATO, as they at this point would not have the capability to launch any form of decisive conventional attack on NATO.

 

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