Current Affairs Ukraine

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BlueToff said:
They'll have Kyiv by the end of the weekend you imagine.

It's horrendous.

But I genuinely reckon Putin would nuke any country that even tries to intervene now, militarily wise. He's not arsed.
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I thought Ukraine had a well armed army with quite a high spend on it? How are Russian tanks in the capital already after 24 hours.
 
BlueToff said:
They'll have Kyiv by the end of the weekend you imagine.

It's horrendous.

But I genuinely reckon Putin would nuke any country that even tries to intervene now, militarily wise. He's not arsed.
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He wouldn’t. Just like we’re not going to be using nuclear weapons over Ukraine. He’s pig-minded and a wrong’un, but he’s not that stupid.

grandjoeblue said:
I thought Ukraine had a well armed army with quite a high spend on it? How are Russian tanks in the capital already after 24 hours.
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Lack of air assets and it’s much harder to defend an entire border from three sides than it is to concentrate your forces and choose where to attack from.
 
PhilM said:
Not to be facetious, but Poland has a larger standing army that the UK and relatively well equipped (Leopard 2s) and they have F16 Falcons.

You also have Czech Republic, Germany and many other NATO and non-NATO nations close by with relatively large and equipped forces.

Now, I'm not saying it's Poland's or their responsibility, far from it, but the point is collectively there's no will to put troops on the ground from Europe.

I don't think we as the UK are doing enough, yet we're not the only one. I think we'll have the same issue with sanctions with lack of consensus and fight.
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Suffice to say, when I'm angry at "our" response that is very much a collective "our". I'm just as staggered, given their history from Munich, that Czech is happy to see those from within its borders leave to fight while they do nothing. It's cowardice on a mass scale.
 
Kev The Rat said:
I wouldn’t expect calls from the government for residents to sacrifice their lives no.
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"we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be.

"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills."

Churchill would 100% have asked for sacrifice if the Germans would have invaded.
 
PhilM said:
Russia is around the fifth highest spenders world wide, with a high percentage versus GDP (4.5%) compared to many other nations.

The UK actually don't spend much less in fiscal terms, but it's a lower % of GDP although still above NATO 2% desire/requirement at close to 3%.

Collectively, we far outspend Russia on defence, still there's a lot more to it than that. Lots of NATO countries do not spend 2% with only US, UK and France.

There's also the issue of Russian conscription, how much they spend per solider and the general cost of equipment compared to costs her.

Their standards are increasing although the mantra has often been quantity. It costs us a lot more to train and maintain each solider compared to Russia.

Same with equipment. Still, you're right: we spend far more collectively but the issue is with efficiency and it's spread across maintaining lots of separate forces.
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And you mentioned the lack of preparedness to engage with "our" (collective "our" again) forces, but is that meaningfully changing even now? Would we be in any better position to defend Estonia or Latvia than Ukraine?
 
Lune1878 said:
I’m guessing that this might happen once Russia has control of Ukraine. Small teams to gather intelligence and disrupt supply lines.
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Basically this. We and the US special forces and CIA etc will already be there and the main objective will be intelligence gathering. Mass amount of aerials and listening devices etc will be planted everywhere.

It’s like when russia, China etc carry out any type of military training exercises. The amount of countries carrying out intelligence gathering is crazy. That’s the same when UK and NATO carry out our own exercises also.
 
BlueToff said:
They'll have Kyiv by the end of the weekend you imagine.

It's horrendous.

But I genuinely reckon Putin would nuke any country that even tries to intervene now, militarily wise. He's not arsed.
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Thats what he wants his opposition to think.

He aint stupid - he'll know a nuclear war results in his own death and the bulk of Russia burnt to the ground.
 
Toast said:
Think you maybe right you know..
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People keep acting like he's doing this for some pop contest, or because of NATO or whatever. He's a complete lunatic. I'm not saying the west are 'the good guys' but he's a lunatic and Russian money is everywhere in the west (as we all know). The west funds Russia. They have China's backing (even if it's silent right now, if anything kicked off you know China would side with Russia).

Do I think anyone will get nuked? No. But if a country did send military assistance in I reckon Putin would pull the trigger without second thought, damn the consequences to his own country as well. How can people think a man who has rigged every election since he got into power actually gives a f*** about what his people think or want or their safety.

The only way this ends is if Ukraine surrenders, and then there won't be a Ukraine anymore anyway.

The sanctions need to be in place just so 'something' is done, but it's all that can be done realistically.
 
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