Current Affairs Ukraine

[bluestevon]

I'm sorry, it's just can't I take you seriously at all.

Your knowledge on Eastern European history throughout this thread is interesting to read and demonstrates to me that you're an intelligent man. But woven in with your own distasteful, personal views... repeatedly... on this forum... at this time... tells me you're classless at best. But in this country (for the time being anyway), we somewhat have free speech, so you have a right to your voice, however distasteful and classless that voice may be. We fought for that (and will again if we have to).

Thing is mate, a lot of people are making assumptions about my personal views, I'll simplify it.

Political views, I'm a mix of socialism, communism and Marxism - none alone can work and all fail due to it being people who implement them, and ultimately people are flawed when they get power

I'm vehemently anti far right -

I'm pro the Ukranian people, I don't like the Ukrainian government and I never have liked any they've had - the Pro Russian ones where terrible too. They've never had a government who put all Ukranians equal and that's sad.

Pre feb I was very pro Putin in terms of how he rebuilt the Russian economy and state, but nobody should support everything a leader does and Chechnya and Ukraine are black marks that undermine all the good things that he did for Russia.

My nature is to question anything presented on mass as black and white especially when it's on the scale of these events, the moment you stop asking questions is the time you've lost the greatest thing you possess, the power to think for yourself.

I'll not respond to any of the personal stuff saud, ultimately you don't know me, written text loses context and tone often, and I feel a lot if what I've said gets lost in the comments that either twist it to fit what the replying poster wants to see or part is taken out of context of the whole.

 

[davids]

Haha

You've done a hell of a lot more than 'ask questions' in this thread.

You've been defending the indefensible and justifying the unjustifiable as highlighted in my original reply to you. Maybe time for a holiday lad, clear your head? I hear Belarus has some breathtaking scenery and a personalist dictatorship. You'll love it.

I've never read one post that defends Putin's illegal invasion. I've read plenty about the US hypocrisy after their illegal invasions of sovereign states like Iraq Libya Afghanistan etc. Blackpool is nice this time of year. It'll do you good,help your comprehension skills maybe?

 

[bluestevon]

This is a very important point. No matter what your security clearance, it is made clear that if it's nowt to do with you, don't look at it regardless of the security markings. I presume that most in the US are like in the UK and follow this guidance to the letter.

I lost a promotion for requesting a file I shouldn't have...

Also had a certain individual where any correspondence concerning him had to be immediately sealed and passed up to ministerial level

 

[davids]

I don't think that's just a Russia problem.

One problem with letting an army off its leash is that, all of a sudden, the political masters need it a lot more. Those sorts of accusations are going to happen in occupied territory no matter what, because one way to win a war is to end the opponent's will to fight. It follows that the political masters are going to push back against the accusations, which provides cover for the acts to occur, and then leadership ends up having to do its best to sweep the whole thing under the rug.

That's a story that eventually played out in almost any protracted conflict you care to name. Armies have psychopaths in them because societies have psychopaths in them, and combat stresses do weird things to people.

Australian troops accused of Abu Ghraib, My Lai-style war crimes in Afghanistan

An official 2016 report, now partially revealed, is part of a protracted government cover-up.

www.wsws.org

 

[Yarrgh]

You do realise he's taking about who's turn it is to buy the biscuits.

This is a far bigger deal than security clearance IMHO.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Mutz nuts was a bomb loader (or so he informed me by private message) does being a glorified labourer make you a specialist?

WSOp you total fruit-loop

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Keenan was an amazingly astute person, like him or not he understood realities, and the ignoring of his policy was a disaster - expansion of NATO being a huge one.

Clinton escapes by and large from the criticism he should get for a variety of policies that longer term massively destabilized the world, the focus on his personal life masked what an utterly woeful president he was.

Kissenger although I hate his politics and views on many things is one of the most astute statesman in history, the brushing aside of what he said about Ukraine was unbelievable by people who actually semi idolize him.

Why do those nations want to join NATO, do you think?

 

[davids]

This is a far bigger deal than security clearance IMHO.

Always,followed by, who used the last of the milk.

 

[davids]

Why do those nations want to join NATO, do you think?

Because they quake in fear of the under fed,badly trained,all about to turn tail and run soldiers of the formidable Russian military machine that have proved over the last months that they'd struggle to punch a hole in a wet Liverpool Echo?

 

[Martin Alvito]

Why do those nations want to join NATO, do you think?

International stature, which plays well at home, and a nuclear umbrella.

It doesn't follow that the smart play is to extend them the courtesy. In the limit, it's what we want. The problem with doing it with Russia in its present state is that one person's purely defensive, cooperative security alliance is another's offensive alliance. That's an issue when military planners are forced to deal in capabilities rather than intent.

 

[davids]

It defeinetely is a human issue in conflict but for the topic of this thread it is due to Russias actions in Ukraine.

It "definitely" is for the purposes of one of your spittle stained daily rants.?

 

[larrygobfiend]

Thing is mate, a lot of people are making assumptions about my personal views, I'll simplify it.

Political views, I'm a mix of socialism, communism and Marxism - none alone can work and all fail due to it being people who implement them, and ultimately people are flawed when they get power

I'm vehemently anti far right -

I'm pro the Ukranian people, I don't like the Ukrainian government and I never have liked any they've had - the Pro Russian ones where terrible too. They've never had a government who put all Ukranians equal and that's sad.

Pre feb I was very pro Putin in terms of how he rebuilt the Russian economy and state, but nobody should support everything a leader does and Chechnya and Ukraine are black marks that undermine all the good things that he did for Russia.

My nature is to question anything presented on mass as black and white especially when it's on the scale of these events, the moment you stop asking questions is the time you've lost the greatest thing you possess, the power to think for yourself.

I'll not respond to any of the personal stuff saud, ultimately you don't know me, written text loses context and tone often, and I feel a lot if what I've said gets lost in the comments that either twist it to fit what the replying poster wants to see or part is taken out of context of the whole.

What have the Ukrainian governments done that’s so wrong? Most of that county’s misery seems to come from your neck of the woods.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

I've never read one post that defends Putin's illegal invasion. I've read plenty about the US hypocrisy after their illegal invasions of sovereign states like Iraq Libya Afghanistan etc. Blackpool is nice this time of year. It'll do you good,help your comprehension skills maybe?

WSOp you total fruit-loop

Beyond fruit-loop mate. The guy‘s dialogue borders on mentally disturbed. His agenda is easy to see. I just ignore him.

 

[Yarrgh]

Always,followed by, who used the last of the milk.

Actually this seems to not be such a big deal nowadays.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Beyond fruit-loop mate. The guy‘s dialogue borders on mentally disturbed. His agenda is easy to see. I just ignore him.

The nice men in white coats will give him his meds soon and take his IPAD away until next week.

He’s just a pound-shop troll