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bluestevon said:
Yup which is why it's insanity to have provoked it in the first place.

If you buy the line Putins unstable or a madman etc (I don't), and you clearly know what are the red lines, then why on earth do you push and push and then act surprised when he does exactly what he said he'd do if you did what you did. Then you talk about breaking Russia and say the goals regime change (Blinken and Biden) it's madness of the highest order mate.

Dies it excuse anything, nope.

But was it entirely predictable what would happen - yes and still nobody thought hey maybe we shouldn't do it.
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This lad's been full-on brainwashed, right?

Granted I've only read the last 30 pages, but this lad's a complete mess.

If it was me, I'd consider leaving Russia...and the wife.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
 
bluestevon said:
@PhilM what's your opinion on the reports that Russia have a huge amount of combat aircraft massed close to Ukraine?
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Genuinely, where have you heard said reports as to the best of my knowledge I've not seen or heard anything as of late, unless I've missed it.

Any links would be appreciated. But without seeing anything, it's a perculiar one as the performance of the Russian Air Force has been worthy of discussion.

Not since the early days of the war have they came close aerial superiority - let alone domination - with growing losses of fixed wing and rotary aircraft.

@Mutzo Nutzo has far more more experience than myself regarding air assets, but for me their restricted use has brought about many questions.

On the face of it, they have more aircraft, more advanced aircraft and experience than their counterparts, yet this imbalance hasn't had the desired impact.

To obtain victory, why haven't they committed more assets before now? Why haven't they utilisied their apparent advantage to obtain victory?

If you start to infer, you get a few scenarios, which may overlap. There's a lot of talk about poor maintenance regimes, lack of spare parts and whatnot.

Maybe, their operational fleet is way below their inventory. We've got the issue of poor training, including rigid tactics, which has meant they're at risk of loss.

Same with questions regarding the actual prowess of their aircraft, which NATO has typically overstated (see The Mig-25/Foxbat as an example of this).

With the Ukraine's increasing AD, all the above has meant that they're far more susceptible to being downed than they'd hope, so maybe they're risk adverse.

So after perhaps labouring the point, I to some extent doubt that Russia would now amass and use a larger force of aicraft because why haven't they already.

If they were to, I have doubts about their impact compared to potentinal losses that Russia will likely struggle to ever replace in suitable numbers or at all.

Long after this war is concluded, Russia will need to defend its airspace or deal with other conflicts and will need numbers to do it. Will they take the risk?

It's similar to why they haven't commited many of their newer tanks (T-90) because they can't afford to lose them, let the west have them and see they're crap.
 
Yarrgh said:
It's a bug gamble. Putin probably thought the same about his energy supply.
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Martin Alvito said:
Sanctions would not be workable. It's more or less impossible for democratic countries to impose economic sanctions on the globe's largest exporter, or even credibly threaten to do so. The pain would be too great for the threat to be credible.

By contrast, countries go to war with their largest trade partner all the time. Wars occur when the two countries share a border, or at least one is a global power. It's not at all uncommon for those wars to occur between countries that engaged in a great deal of trade prior to the war as a consequence.
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Yup. China exports so much, the impact of any sanctions would be awful. Them voluntarily going into lockdowns has caused havoc with supply chains across a plethora of industries. The world voluntarily saying no to Chinese exports would be unworkable. Tbf to them, as a Communist country, making the Capitalist west so dependent on their output we can’t do without them is a master stroke. Would love for Marx to be around to see how it’s unfolded. He’d have to write another unreadable tome.

Great bunch of lads. I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.
 
Nightman said:
This lad's been full-on brainwashed, right?

Granted I've only read the last 30 pages, but this lad's a complete mess.

If it was me, I'd consider leaving Russia...and the wife.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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So the US have never changed regime in any countries since WW2?
You'll obviously remember the Cuban Bay of Pigs debacle,Chile etc. If your country's politics don't fit the US will plot to overthrow them or will use NATO to help invade Iraq Libya Afghanistan style,all they need to do is suggest a terrorist link. The same terrorist threat that has killed less US citizens than cows have since 9/11. Welcome to the world of nuclear brinkmanship 2022/23 style.
 
PhilM said:
Genuinely, where have you heard said reports as to the best of my knowledge I've not seen or heard anything as of late, unless I've missed it.

Any links would be appreciated. But without seeing anything, it's a perculiar one as the performance of the Russian Air Force has been worthy of discussion.

Not since the early days of the war have they came close aerial superiority - let alone domination - with growing losses of fixed wing and rotary aircraft.

@Mutzo Nutzo has far more more experience than myself regarding air assets, but for me their restricted use has brought about many questions.

On the face of it, they have more aircraft, more advanced aircraft and experience than their counterparts, yet this imbalance hasn't had the desired impact.

To obtain victory, why haven't they committed more assets before now? Why haven't they utilisied their apparent advantage to obtain victory?

If you start to infer, you get a few scenarios, which may overlap. There's a lot of talk about poor maintenance regimes, lack of spare parts and whatnot.

Maybe, their operational fleet is way below their inventory. We've got the issue of poor training, including rigid tactics, which has meant they're at risk of loss.

Same with questions regarding the actual prowess of their aircraft, which NATO has typically overstated (see The Mig-25/Foxbat as an example of this).

With the Ukraine's increasing AD, all the above has meant that they're far more susceptible to being downed than they'd hope, so maybe they're risk adverse.

So after perhaps labouring the point, I to some extent doubt that Russia would now amass and use a larger force of aicraft because why haven't they already.

If they were to, I have doubts about their impact compared to potentinal losses that Russia will likely struggle to ever replace in suitable numbers or at all.

Long after this war is concluded, Russia will need to defend its airspace or deal with other conflicts and will need numbers to do it. Will they take the risk?

It's similar to why they haven't commited many of their newer tanks (T-90) because they can't afford to lose them, let the west have them and see they're crap.
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Mutz nuts was a bomb loader (or so he informed me by private message) does being a glorified labourer make you a specialist?
 
davids said:
So the US have never changed regime in any countries since WW2?
You'll obviously remember the Cuban Bay of Pigs debacle,Chile etc. If your country's politics don't fit the US will plot to overthrow them or will use NATO to help invade Iraq Libya Afghanistan style,all they need to do is suggest a terrorist link. The same terrorist threat that has killed less US citizens than cows have since 9/11. Welcome to the world of nuclear brinkmanship 2022/23 style.
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WW2
Cuba
Iraq
Chile
Libya
Afghanistan
9/11

All mentioned in one post. Yet no mention of Russia or Ukraine? Just a load of whataboutery. I can't take you seriously, I'm afraid.
 
davids said:
Mutz nuts was a bomb loader (or so he informed me by private message) does being a glorified labourer make you a specialist?
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Well, he does have more experience than myself and I suspect others on here, so to that extent yes as he has specialist knowledge of air forces and whatnot.

Did he specialise in dealing with different aircraft and ordinance with classified information? I suspect so.
 
davids said:
You vaulting the Pro Putin members today. Shouldn't take you long to find the posts that support him. Need to post them soon or what little credibility you had will be shot...?
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Any poster who is looking to justify the invasion is a supporter of Putin, because the invasion is completely unjustifiable. So the next time you call out posts that support him, consider your own.
 
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