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[Martin Alvito]

Did Wikipedia tell you that??‍?

I knew that before double-checking the number with a source that isn't Wikipedia, mate.

There are a lot of people that have that level of clearance due to the possibility for an occasional need to see information at that classification priority. It doesn't follow that they see anything resembling everything with that classification priority, or the most sensitive information the United States government possesses.

 

[davids]

Or they could tell the truth.

I find most are just Call of Duty playing fantasist BS merchants.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I've stated on several occasions that Putin is a psychopath. But then that description could be applied to some western heads of state. It's lazy posting to suggest that anyone who doesn't bang on daily about human rights violations and the killing of innocent women and children is by default a supporter of Putin. Especially when Guantanamo Bay is still open for business and the slaughter of Iraqi civilians is still fresh in the memory.

But you NEVER cry about Putins "human rights violations and the killing of innocent women and children " only historic western actions.
What about Syria, Chechnya and Georgia? Was that also our fault??
Your stance is pathetic

 

[davids]

I knew that before double-checking the number with a source that isn't Wikipedia, mate.

There are a lot of people that have that level of clearance due to the possibility for an occasional need to see information at that classification priority. It doesn't follow that they see anything resembling everything with that classification priority, or the most sensitive information the United States government possesses.

So you're another CIA black ops Call of Duty boys to add to the lengthening list? You'd wonder how a football forum attracts so many.?

 

[Martin Alvito]

So you're another CIA black ops Call of Duty boys to add to the lengthening list??

I don't hold Top Secret clearance. Being knowledgeable is not the same as working/contracting for the government.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Don't feed the troll potato!

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[davids]

Don't feed the troll potato!

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How's the kilt cleaning business going? Shouldn't you be busy in the forum vaults??

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

Anyone with even a modicum of intellectual capacity can see and call out the repugnant actions of one imperialist power and also be against similar actions by another.

Puins what about bots are effectively excusing barbaric crimes against the people of Ukraine by deflecting from the issue and saying X,Y and Z do similar, so lets focus on them! There is no excuse, they know what they are doing and as mentioned earlier, that is supporting paedophilia, rape and murder.

Well done lads, he thanks you for your service.

This is an excellent moment all Western nations to re-evaluate our economy and foreign affairs though. Who are our friends? Who do we want to be associated with? Ethics should be a factor in foreign policy. It's not today.

Let's not close our eyes for any crimes against humanity and act accordingly, not just the ones happening in Europe.

Doesn't mean we all hope Putin falls through a window tomorrow and dies.

 

[bluestevon]

Putin supporter, brainwashed, whstaboutery, all nice tags to throw at people who simply ask questions you either can't or don't want to answer.

Not seen anyone saying they wanted this war, that they agree it should have happened, or that they like what's happening. Not seen one person saying they support Putins choices either.

Whet I have seen is people, myself included ask questions about why, share things which showed how avoidable it was, and share a different perspective than one that literally every single MSN outlet is reading from the script of.

Questioning things isn't a sign of being brainwashed it's actually the opposite, and in this the ones not asking questions are the ones throwing out the slurs, good defence mechanism though, as it gets it away from any real debate they don't want to have.

@davids has used the CoD line a few to describe some, and it's actually pretty accurate - saddest thing though is some posts that actively seem to 'get off' on Russian soldiers dying. Funnily enough the guys here who are ex military aren't amongst that group - and credit to them for that.

 

[bluestevon]

Or they could tell the truth.

Exactly. Here in the UK, you have cops, fireman, civil servants, council staff and so many other people will access to classified stuff.

There’s a spectrum of classification and the access you’re given relates to specific areas rather than generic access; as you say, need to know.

I'm bound by the official secrets act myself mate.

 

[Nightman]

So just quote one post where I have justified any atrocities. I find violence abhorrent hence you'll find most of my posts question why the US and Nato aren't calling for a ceasefire. Why aren't you btw?

Your post just this morning at 10.01am, FFS. That's only an hour ago. Are you even aware of what you're writing?

 

[Martin Alvito]

Don't feed the troll potato!

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I generally feed them until it should be clear to any external observer that they don't know what they're talking about, then leave them alone thereafter. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and all that.

This is an excellent moment all Western nations to re-evaluate our economy and foreign affairs though. Who are our friends? Who do want to be associated with? Ethics should be a factor in foreign policy. It's not today.

Let's not close our eyes for any crimes against humanity and act accordingly, not just the ones happening in Europe.

Doesn't mean we all hope Putin falls through a window tomorrow and dies.

The cynical take is Kissinger's comment that nations don't have friends, they have interests. What we're learning (for the second time, really) is that it doesn't make sense to engage with countries whose values aren't consistent with our own, due to the nature of those interests. Those countries tend to benefit more from trade than democratic nations for a variety of reasons, but their leadership is also more isolated from the pain of cutting off trade flows.

What we end up doing when we engage with those countries, if you ask me, is strengthen leadership that then inevitably acts or threatens to act against our interests once they're holding more than a busted flush. George Kennan was right the first time around, and remains right. Nothing that has happened in the twenty-five years since Clinton extended MFN to China has convinced me that normalizing trade relations was a good idea.

The reason we observe the behavior, if you ask me, is the race to the bottom that occurs because somebody always benefits more from taking those actions than everybody else. The resulting collective action problem makes it predictable enough that trade will occur, and then there's a big FOMO problem.

 

[Nightman]

Putin supporter, brainwashed, whstaboutery, all nice tags to throw at people who simply ask questions you either can't or don't want to answer.

Not seen anyone saying they wanted this war, that they agree it should have happened, or that they like what's happening. Not seen one person saying they support Putins choices either.

Whet I have seen is people, myself included ask questions about why, share things which showed how avoidable it was, and share a different perspective than one that literally every single MSN outlet is reading from the script of.

Questioning things isn't a sign of being brainwashed it's actually the opposite, and in this the ones not asking questions are the ones throwing out the slurs, good defence mechanism though, as it gets it away from any real debate they don't want to have.

@davids has used the CoD line a few to describe some, and it's actually pretty accurate - saddest thing though is some posts that actively seem to 'get off' on Russian soldiers dying. Funnily enough the guys here who are ex military aren't amongst that group - and credit to them for that.

Haha

You've done a hell of a lot more than 'ask questions' in this thread.

You've been defending the indefensible and justifying the unjustifiable as highlighted in my original reply to you. Maybe time for a holiday lad, clear your head? I hear Belarus has some breathtaking scenery and a personalist dictatorship. You'll love it.

 

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[bluestevon]

But you NEVER cry about Putins "human rights violations and the killing of innocent women and children " only historic western actions.
What about Syria, Chechnya and Georgia? Was that also our fault??
Your stance is pathetic

Conversely I've not seen any of the posters shouting about those things be accused of whataboutery mate.

I'll answer though, Syria was Russia and the US having a proxy conflict - then Russia put boots on the ground - the US didn't just continued supporting extremists both very culpable for everything that's happened and still is there.

Chechnya was brutal and was wrong.

Georgia was weird as effectively the Russians did what NATO did here and provoked a reaction and got what they wanted. Doesn't justify but let's not forget exactly what happened in Georgia