Current Affairs Ukraine

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[Woolverhampton_Blue]

I think China being a trading nation by nature, would have looked at the alienation of Russia from world markets and maybe is having second thoughts about a military invasion of Taiwan.

I don’t think militarily there’s a lot that could stop them doing it. But it’s the global trade ramifications that would damage them.

I think eventually over time and negotiation Taiwan will come closer to China.

The world is so reliant on the Chinese economy and its exports, I struggle to see how sanctions would be workable in the same way they have been with Russia.

 

[davids]

If China pushed into Taiwan, what would anyone actually do, other than do what they did to Russia and for Ukraine? Would that even be enough to stop China?

The Ukrainian conflict has depleted Europe and it's going to be the US and Austalasian countries that are prepared to rock up against China taking that one on.

If Taiwan folds and China is relatively unscathed, they may well be in a position to back Russia then without any other consequences than the ones upon them.

Real messy. Add into the mix border states with the middle east and central Asia and it could be a giant cluster @#£%.

And this is why a ceasefire in the Ukraine is becoming more important by the day.

 

[davids]

The world is so reliant on the Chinese economy and its exports, I struggle to see how sanctions would be workable in the same way they have been with Russia.

And yet with Russia they are having minimal effect. They are selling more oil to India and China than ever before.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

And this is why a ceasefire in the Ukraine is becoming more important by the day.

Tell vlad that ffs

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

And yet with Russia they are having minimal effect. They are selling more oil to India and China than ever before.

They are starting to kick in. The reserves are falling rapidly

 

[Yarrgh]

This, really. The sabre-rattling over that island in US politics right now is shameful and a strong dose of pragmatism (and realism) is urgently needed.

US politicking will do as the economy dictates is my guess.

I think China being a trading nation by nature, would have looked at the alienation of Russia from world markets and maybe is having second thoughts about a military invasion of Taiwan.

I don’t think militarily there’s a lot that could stop them doing it. But it’s the global trade ramifications that would damage them.

I think eventually over time and negotiation Taiwan will come closer to China.

And Chinese politicking will too!

In no way can a war ever be the best option. Just look at the outcome in Ukraine. Thousands dead, billions pissed up the wall just to cause damage that cost 100s of billions and will negatively impact the lives of those dependent on the food and energy from both countries.

I hope that China and Taiwan move away from this confrontational phase and soon.

 

[Martin Alvito]

If China pushed into Taiwan, what would anyone actually do, other than do what they did to Russia and for Ukraine? Would that even be enough to stop China?

The Ukrainian conflict has depleted Europe and it's going to be the US and Austalasian countries that are prepared to rock up against China taking that one on.

If Taiwan folds and China is relatively unscathed, they may well be in a position to back Russia then without any other consequences than the ones upon them.

Real messy. Add into the mix border states with the middle east and central Asia and it could be a giant cluster @#£%.

The answer is that the Seventh Fleet would probably sink a lot of fishing junks containing soldiers. Whether that would be enough to keep the PRC from taking the island is another question, but there would be a lot of stiffs in Davy Jones's locker.

 

[Yarrgh]

The world is so reliant on the Chinese economy and its exports, I struggle to see how sanctions would be workable in the same way they have been with Russia.

It's a bug gamble. Putin probably thought the same about his energy supply.

 

[Yarrgh]

And this is why a ceasefire in the Ukraine is becoming more important by the day.

I don't think any party involved is particularly interested in a ceasefire.

It would be interesting to see how one would affect Europe, the US, China and the rest of the world. Or conversely who'd benefit for prolonging it.

 

[Sharpattack]

 

[Martin Alvito]

The world is so reliant on the Chinese economy and its exports, I struggle to see how sanctions would be workable in the same way they have been with Russia.

Sanctions would not be workable. It's more or less impossible for democratic countries to impose economic sanctions on the globe's largest exporter, or even credibly threaten to do so. The pain would be too great for the threat to be credible.

By contrast, countries go to war with their largest trade partner all the time. Wars occur when the two countries share a border, or at least one is a global power. It's not at all uncommon for those wars to occur between countries that engaged in a great deal of trade prior to the war as a consequence.

 

[Taifi gorm]

AGAIN...NO ONE IS DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE (quite the opposite in fact). THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT RUSSIA-UKRAINE. WHY NOT OPEN A THREAD "WESTERN/NATO/US/UK/IRELAND ATROCITIES" AND LEAVE THIS THREAD TO RUSSIA-UKRAINE!!!!!

That's twice now you've mentioned the Irish state as being involved in colonial atrocities. Try not to feed the troll or spread disinformation please.

 

[Yarrgh]

The answer is that the Seventh Fleet would probably sink a lot of fishing junks containing soldiers. Whether that would be enough to keep the PRC from taking the island is another question, but there would be a lot of stiffs in Davy Jones's locker.

Would the US put its armed forces on the line though? Fire enough, for long enough at any fleet and you'll see ships sink.

It's one thing fighting a proxy war in Ukraine when they don't have to deal with headlines showing US casualties.

Again this is all hypothetical, I don't know what the US would do if such an event happened. Probably sabre rattling to prevent it occurring is the correct way to go for now.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

I’m not sure if Japan would also step in if the US, Taiwan and Australia did. They are all under threat from China. Also other countries within the South China Sea expansion might seize the opportunity

They would. Hatred between both has existed for a long long time during Japan's Empire building. Japan will go after their Northern Islands now in Russian hands. This could kick-off unfortunately in a big way.