Current Affairs Ukraine

[Martin Alvito]

Would the US put its armed forces on the line though? Fire enough, for long enough at any fleet and you'll see ships sink.

It's one thing fighting a proxy war in Ukraine when they don't have to deal with headlines showing US casualties.

Again this is all hypothetical, I don't know what the US would do if such an event happened. Probably sabre rattling to prevent it occurring is the correct way to go for now.

The stance of the United States on the subject for a very long time has been an ambiguous security commitment. Nobody knows for sure what the US would do.

If you want my opinion, Biden's instincts would probably be to fight and I think present politics would embolden rather than discourage those instincts.

They would. Hatred between both has existed for a long long time during Japan's Empire building. Japan will go after their Northern Islands now in Russian hands. This could kick-off unfortunately in a big way.

I would question whether or not Japan would enter the fray in that manner. I can see Japan answering a call by the United States to fight China. I can't really see them kicking off a war of aggression against Russia unless a state of war already exists between Russia and one of the United States' Pacific allies.

 

[davids]

I don't think any party involved is particularly interested in a ceasefire.

It would be interesting to see how one would affect Europe, the US, China and the rest of the world. Or conversely who'd benefit for prolonging it.

Don't want to believe that any nuclear power would purposely start a war that could escalate,but if too many plates are being spun one can easily fall.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Don't want to believe that any nuclear power would purposely start a war that could escalate,but if too many plates are being spun one can easily fall.

Nuclear deterrence has held so far, but if it's going to collapse anywhere the most likely flashpoint would be Taiwan.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

I think China being a trading nation by nature, would have looked at the alienation of Russia from world markets and maybe is having second thoughts about a military invasion of Taiwan.

I don’t think militarily there’s a lot that could stop them doing it. But it’s the global trade ramifications that would damage them.

I think eventually over time and negotiation Taiwan will come closer to China.

At this time during many uncertainties in China's internal financial picture and COVID complications they are mostly rhetoric as well until called out.. They are hoping to give the West pause not to cause utter chaos against a depleted at risk Russia with Nuclear arms falling into unfriendly fringe elements, sounds familiar doesn't it?. NATO will be stronger Germany will wake up to their 2% goal and perhaps go beyond. This could get complicated very fast if Ukraine humbles the Russian machine more than they have, the piranhas will be in the water as breakaway states have been given the greenlight to cause confusion starting with Armenia being attacked after Ukraine holding steadfast.

The last statement I do agree with totally.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

China a d the west understand the importance of Taiwan in the semiconductor (SC) market. China has used measures against the Taiwanese but never against there reliance on the top end SC produced by their foe. Cut these off and the Chinese tech market would wobble.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

China is essemtily a product line. Cut off their access to components and they'd collapse. They know this and so have been and are trying to.protect themselves.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

China is essemtily a product line. Cut off their access to components and they'd collapse. They know this and so have been and are trying to.protect themselves.

Also, China makes everything and losing Western trade would be catastrophic for appeasing their populace. They have to keep one eye on India as their immediate threat not the West. Reading a missive the other day China could easily take parts of Russia illegally gained from them in the early1900's either in a alliance to protect Putin or just wait until the Russian army fades away . Believe me they will want some benefit for what they undertake not just goodwill.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

The stance of the United States on the subject for a very long time has been an ambiguous security commitment. Nobody knows for sure what the US would do.

If you want my opinion, Biden's instincts would probably be to fight and I think present politics would embolden rather than discourage those instincts.


I would question whether or not Japan would enter the fray in that manner. I can see Japan answering a call by the United States to fight China. I can't really see them kicking off a war of aggression against Russia unless a state of war already exists between Russia and one of the United States' Pacific allies.

Japan is rising. They have a million man army rated top five globally and have been spending highly on it's military updates. Building two big battle cruisers in the news lately. I wonder why?

Japan is Building the Biggest Warships in Asia, Two 20,000-Ton Super Destroyers

Japan is Building the Biggest Warships in Asia For Self-Defense.

www.tweet247.net

 

[Martin Alvito]

Japan is rising. They have a million man army rated top five globally and have been spending highly on it's military updates. Building two big battle cruisers in the news lately. I wonder why?

Japan is Building the Biggest Warships in Asia, Two 20,000-Ton Super Destroyers

Japan is Building the Biggest Warships in Asia For Self-Defense.

www.tweet247.net

If I were guilty of the rape of Nanking, I refused to admit it and I didn't fully trust the security commitment of the United States, I would also build a first-rate army and navy.

It doesn't follow that they want to get frisky with Russia. It just means that they're scared of China, and with cause.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

If I were guilty of the rape of Nanking, I refused to admit it and I didn't fully trust the security commitment of the United States, I would also build a first-rate army and navy.

It doesn't follow that they want to get frisky with Russia. It just means that they're scared of China, and with cause.

Absolutely, the hate is there and the Chinese have long memories of the past.

 

[davids]

I
ear deterrence has held so far, but if it's going to collapse anywhere the most likely flashpoint would be Taiwan.

Putin can't afford to lose,so a diversion may have already been arranged. Weapons grade uranium to Iran resulting in a strike on Israel would instantly focus attention away from the Ukraine. We are living in very uncertain times.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

They would. Hatred between both has existed for a long long time during Japan's Empire building. Japan will go after their Northern Islands now in Russian hands. This could kick-off unfortunately in a big way.

Totally agree. There are lot of Asian countries that could see this as their only chance to stand up with support.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I
ear deterrence has held so far, but if it's going to collapse anywhere the most likely flashpoint would be Taiwan.

Putin can't afford to lose,so a diversion may have already been arranged. Weapons grade uranium to Iran resulting in a strike on Israel would instantly focus attention away from the Ukraine. We are living in very uncertain times.

Israeli terrorists would flatten Iran long before this could take place

 

[Martin Alvito]

Totally agree. There are lot of Asian countries that could see this as their only chance to stand up with support.

There's logic to this, but I don't think any of them want to test the waters with respect to the willingness of the US to back them up.

Now, if there's a shooting war on between the US and China, all of that goes right out the window. I can see unnecessary provocations under those circumstances.