Current Affairs Ukraine

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peteblue said:
Tbf, It must be difficult for those that don’t know anything, to understand that others on here actually do have experience and knowledge of things. Between us all, we can cover quite a range of knowledge from strategy, design and manufacture, to operational usage in a wide variety of military hardware and field/sea/air environments…..
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Are you pretending you were in the army ?
 
PhilM said:
Aye, the emphasis on the could (the potential I mentioned) and why I said we need to see how it pans out.

There's some positive examples of how the initiate has supported commerce, transportation and diplomatic ties, with complex infrastructure put in place.

On the other hand, there's also a few horror stories of how countries have been coerced into costly projects, which have shackled their economies with debt.

Look at the likes of Bagamoyo for evidence of how the financing conditions enforced by China were almost suicidal for the local government.

What's worse is that some of the ports they've financed are, by the nature of the contract, strictly operated and managed by Chinese state-led businesses.

If you don't deal with them on their terms, they're more than willing to pull the plug or limit trade as evidenced in some cases on the East-Coast of Africa.

When you're shackled with restrictive debt, most play ball. A few of the ports they've built have contractual obligations to allow Chinese naval ships to dock too.

Based on all the above, it's easy to be be very cynical about China's desires, but as I said earlier let's see. For some countries, it's been a big help!
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Funny thing is, Putin by waging this senseless war in Ukraine has effectively turned Russia into China’s subsidised raw material supplier. No longer classed as an economic peer but now rather a back room player supporting Chinas economic rise. So much for a return to the great Russian empire.
 
devogue said:


Video is very disturbing and there is a separate video of a prisoner being killed and having their head put on a spike.
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I posted a video weeks ago of Russian POWs being tortured and executed. It's a dirty war with atrocities committed on both sides. But then there are posters on this thread who would summise that they are only being perpetrated by Russia and that videos that show otherwise are deep fake.
 
davids said:
I posted a video weeks ago of Russian POWs being tortured and executed. It's a dirty war with atrocities committed on both sides. But then there are posters on this thread who would summise that they are only being perpetrated by Russia and that videos that show otherwise are deep fake.
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If Putin had not invaded the Ukraine there would be no atrocities. no war crimes, and no civilian deaths. Simple as.
 
jaspercabbage said:
If Putin had not invaded the Ukraine there would be no atrocities. no war crimes, and no civilian deaths. Simple as.
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There is as always another side to every story. Could the US/Nato have had a hand in this? By leaving an open invitation to the Ukraine to join up thus setting up the scenario of Nato nuclear missiles being sited on the Russian border. The US have previous with this in a situation that triggered the Cuban Crisis. Ask yourself what would be the American reaction if Mexico signed a military pact that included Russian bases sited in Ciudad Juárez? They have already threatened military intervention if the Solomon Islands allow China to build a military base there.?
 
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