The Moyes influence on Everton.

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James Beattie 6 million - when Dean Ashton for one million down the road at Crewe was the obvious choice - and AVM -Simon Davies - Kaldrop etc!

AVM - 2 mill. Simon Davies -5 mill. Kroldrup -5 mill, Ashton retired at 28? Hardly wasting the money there. Every manager has a few bad buys.
 
AVM - 2 mill. Simon Davies -5 mill. Kroldrup -5 mill, Ashton retired at 28? Hardly wasting the money there. Every manager has a few bad buys.
Add in the wages for those players? Ashton would have lasted longer than Beattie did as vaughn , and Victor were better than him - Beattie went one season scoring one PEN!
Aston went to Norwich for one Million ten times the player Beattie was, DM had his eyes shut we had played them in the FA cup and Ashton ripped us apart playing for Crew they took us to a replay Ashton was young,and Rob Hulse played upfront with him they were better than anything we had at the time and DM could not recognise this point????
 
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Add in the wages for those players? Ashton would have lasted longer than Beattie did as vaughn , and Victor were better than him - Beattie went one season scoring one PEN!
Aston went to Norwich for one Million ten times the player Beattie was, DM had his eyes shut we had played them in the FA cup and Ashton ripped us apart playing for Crew they took us to a replay Ashton was young,and Rob Hulse played upfront with him they were better than anything we had at the time and DM could not recognise this point????

So Moyes was a poor manager for picking Beattie over Dean Ashton? May as well pick any name out the air who moved in the same window. This also the same Ashton who hit the heights of Norwich and West Ham? Hardly a massive miss. He was good...for Crewe. No one could envisage how bad Beattie would be, he was good for Southampton.
 
So Moyes was a poor manager for picking Beattie over Dean Ashton? May as well pick any name out the air who moved in the same window. This also the same Ashton who hit the heights of Norwich and West Ham? Hardly a massive miss. He was good...for Crewe. No one could envisage how bad Beattie would be, he was good for Southampton.
That was an example, typical reverse psychology by you , you know DM was an average Manager, got us out of the Walter Smith era he had us in served his use stayed too long imo the hoof ball was woeful I stated his best football was when Alan Irvine was his no 2
I also heard Finch Farm is now a happier place , and to think our great HK only got an invite when he left says it all for me, never ever want DM back at the club in any capacity
 
I grew up watching the 1997/8 season, Walter smith, selling big dunc, surviving one season thanks to Super Kevin Campbell.

Moyes was what we needed. We would never be able to take Martinez as a manager without Moyes. I find it hard to compare the two as they came from two different eras and had two radically different purposes for the club. I am grateful for the stabilisation he brought. He found rough gems and made them diamonds (well him and his scout team). he was one game away from glory several times. Towards the end of his tenure we played with a bit more style. The fact his back 4 served Martinez so well in 13/14 is testament to his ability to build a defence, even if Martinez changed the function of that defence radically.

However, I never felt comfortable going into a top 4 match with him. Not to say I always do with Martinez, but 'plucky Everton' would often muck it up. Some of his style was ponderous. He didn't trust youth and was forever pragmatic, cautious. I would welcome him back to the ground but I wouldn't have him as manager again

I always felt confident playing City under Moyes, the rest not so much.
 
That was an example, typical reverse psychology by you , you know DM was an average Manager, got us out of the Walter Smith era he had us in served his use stayed too long imo the hoof ball was woeful I stated his best football was when Alan Irvine was his no 2
I also heard Finch Farm is now a happier place , and to think our great HK only got an invite when he left says it all for me, never ever want DM back at the club in any capacity

Far from average imo. I think you massively underestimate how hard it was for a club like us at the time to do what he did.

Its basically Sunderland or Villa now, hitting a top 4 spot in the next couple of years then staying in and around the European places indefinitely whilst spending less than some of the relegation candidates each year. Far from average what he did tbf.
 
Far from average imo. I think you massively underestimate how hard it was for a club like us at the time to do what he did.

Its basically Sunderland or Villa now, hitting a top 4 spot in the next couple of years then staying in and around the European places indefinitely whilst spending less than some of the relegation candidates each year. Far from average what he did tbf.
We came 17 th one season - as I stated he was useful , but not worth his ten year reign- when your Chairman stated he would not sack him if we were relegated says it all really, - his relationship with BK was far too comfortable - off subject BK was not there on Sat?
 
We were never going to consistently compete in the top 4 and win trophies because of the 'plucky little Everton' attitude he instilled.

Or was it because the teams we were competing against could spend hundreds of millions on the best players in world football while we were scrapping around for loans.

Yeah might have been that, given that no other small budget team has come even remotely close in the last 15 years to breaking the big boys monopoly.
 
We were never going to consistently compete in the top 4 and win trophies because of the 'plucky little Everton' attitude he instilled.

Or was it because the teams we were competing against could spend hundreds of millions on the best players in world football while we were scrapping around for loans.

Yeah might have been that, given that no other small budget team has come even remotely close in the last 15 years to breaking the big boys monopoly.
End of the day RM first season record prem points early days for RM - but still need for improvement, needs five years to get the balance right - DM is History like Gordon Lee trophyless!
 
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