The Moyes influence on Everton.

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Joey66 said:
Ross broke his leg in two places that held him back, but one mistake away at Blackburn Rovers banished form the team yet the oldies stunk the place out picked every week, players he played on the wing Jack Rodwell. Ross Barkley, Wayne Rooney, Osman, Stephen Naismith, and ?
he did put square pegs in round holes sometimes for a long period naismith is a perfect example under RM looks a diferent player disregarding his hat trick on Sat!
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Square pegs in round holes is a valid criticism of Moyes (and to some extent Martinez). His handling of Barkley, I believe is not one. He played against QPR and Blackburn because we had an injury crisis, he did alright but then players returned coinciding with his mistake, of course Moyes took him out. He then went on s few loan periods and only really came up to prem standard at the start of 13/14. He then dropped massively off it and is only now starting to look consistent again. He is a classic young player that people wNt too much from too soon.
 
davek said:
Broke the record transfer fee on a few occasions. Apart from Fellaini he was awful at spending big amounts of cash. Which is why the 'I reckon Moyes would have broken through with this level of cash to spend now' arguments ring a little hollow.
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His two largest transfers were Fellaini and Yakubu. Both very good players. Bily was a dud, fine. Then it was Baines perhaps the best LB in our history. Remind me again where he wasted all that money buying big?
 
Saint Domingo said:
In my mind Ross is only just now showing the type of form that demands his inclusion in the first 11. Martinez had him in the side for the last two years when he was doing 1, 2 assists per season despite playing at number 10 nearly every game? Last season he was awful. I respect Martinez's choice for doing that because he is now reaping the benefit bit are you seriously saying Moyes should have been doing this two years earlier? Ross was a precocious 17 year old but he was all over the show. Moyes gave him his debut, got him loan deals, played him away at top grounds in his best position, all of this whilst running a top 6 side which already had a very strong midfield. What other manager in the same position was letting erratic 17 year olds start in big away games at the top 4? None.

As ever with young players though once impatient fans see that first bit of quality they are ready to jump on anyone who holds them back even for their own good. I stand by Moyes' handling of Barkley, the hype in 13/14 was ridiculous as it was so exposing a 17 year old to that would have been stupid. He simply wasn't that good 4 years ago sorry, he wasn't good enough 1 year ago.
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I must firmly disagree with you

I'm not saying Ross should have been playing every match at the start of the season, but his performance against Arsenal was good enough that he deserved another chance, a chance he never received

Moyes had a few sly digs at Ross in pressers too. I'm sure someone can find the quotes somewhere. He was ready to tar Ross with the "Attitude Problems" brush and have him out of the club. Martinez was a lot more supportive of Ross than Moyes ever was. It's a huge black eye on his tenure here, and one of the few things I have no problem laying into him for
 
Saint Domingo said:
His two largest transfers were Fellaini and Yakubu. Both very good players. Bily was a dud, fine. Then it was Baines perhaps the best LB in our history. Remind me again where he wasted all that money buying big?
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Kroldrup
Bilyaletdinov
Beattie
McFadden

Every one he got right he got two wrong. Not a great ratio when you spend decent cash.
 
davek said:
Kroldrup
Bilyaletdinov
Beattie
McFadden

Every one he got right he got two wrong. Not a great ratio when you spend decent cash.
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To be fair, we signed McFadden for £1.25m but sold him for £6m.

We also got a decent chunk of money for Beattie, £4m, so the £6m paid isn't too bad when you think we got a few seasons out of him.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
To be fair, we signed McFadden for £1.25m but sold him for £6m.

We also got a decent chunk of money for Beattie, £4m, so the £6m paid isn't too bad when you think we got a few seasons out of him.
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Just under £5M surely?
EDIT: sorry, yeah. We sold him for that.
 
Joao Silva
Magaye Gueye
James Beattie
James McFadden
D Bilyaletdinov
Jermaine Beckford
A Vellios
Lucas Jutkiewicz
Johnny Heitinga
Dan Gosling
Richard Wright
Simon Davies
Anderson Da Silva
Scott Spencer
Per Kroldrup
Andy Van Der Meyde

Can all be considered as Moyes flops, for me.

Money paid for all of the above, as didn't want to include the awful freebies he signed.
 
chicoazul said:
He was what we needed at the right time but stayed four years more than he should have, and belittled us during that period then him his new position trying to buy our players.

He will be afforded a sound reception when he returns from time to time but great Everton managers win stuff and believe that Everton should be winning stuff, neither of which applied to him.
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Perfect summary. 10/10 would read again
 
Saint Domingo said:
Doubled up on Hibbert? Ha ha is this some sort of tactics for beginners? Do you think Hiddink thought 'I know I'll ask Cole and Malouda to target Hibbert'? We got dragged around all over the pitch that day as we had wide players in Osman and Pienaar who liked to cut inside. They had pace and strength all over the pitch and had just a week before dominated probably one of the best Barcelona sides of all time. We were missing Jags Arteta and Yakubu. Who was Moyes to bring on to deal with how quickly Chelsea moved the ball considering his bench consisted of the likes of 17 year old Rodwell and Lars Jacobsen?

They were just better, get over it. The same way a far poorer City side were still a lot better than Wigan but Aguero forgot his shooting boots. They could have won that game 5-0. We had Lampard curling them in from 30 yards though.

The cup final performance and Moyes' handling of Barkley along with 'football dinosaur', are the three most annoying revisionist myths about Moyes. There's lots to justifiably criticise Moyes for but those three are ridiculous.
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Ha get you the football genius, its a myth,
everybody else is wrong
As for Chelsea targeting Hibbert I am dam sure a manager of Hiddicks caliber would have said to his team to exploit the weaknesses of are team, and set players up to take advantage,
you have just shown yourself up in that one smartarse comment what you know about football.
that's what makes him and other good managers different they can see and exploit it better than the rest.
Moyes was a decent manager who went stale, he made a good job of bringing stability to the club ,but I suspect that that was his level he couldnt take it the next step forward .
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Joao Silva
Magaye Gueye
James Beattie
James McFadden
D Bilyaletdinov
Jermaine Beckford
A Vellios
Lucas Jutkiewicz
Johnny Heitinga
Dan Gosling
Richard Wright
Simon Davies
Anderson Da Silva
Scott Spencer
Per Kroldrup
Andy Van Der Meyde

Can all be considered as Moyes flops, for me.

Money paid for all of the above, as didn't want to include the awful freebies he signed.
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??
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Joao Silva
Magaye Gueye
James Beattie
James McFadden
D Bilyaletdinov
Jermaine Beckford
A Vellios
Lucas Jutkiewicz
Johnny Heitinga
Dan Gosling
Richard Wright
Simon Davies
Anderson Da Silva
Scott Spencer
Per Kroldrup
Andy Van Der Meyde

Can all be considered as Moyes flops, for me.

Money paid for all of the above, as didn't want to include the awful freebies he signed.
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On what planet was Beckford a flop?
 
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