The Moyes influence on Everton.

[bluemangroup]

Also Heitinga was our player of the season ffs

Revisionists going in hard here like

 

[Brendan Janus]

Heitinga was great in the holding midfielder role !!

 

[banno]

Square pegs in round holes is a valid criticism of Moyes (and to some extent Martinez). His handling of Barkley, I believe is not one. He played against QPR and Blackburn because we had an injury crisis, he did alright but then players returned coinciding with his mistake, of course Moyes took him out. He then went on s few loan periods and only really came up to prem standard at the start of 13/14. He then dropped massively off it and is only now starting to look consistent again. He is a classic young player that people wNt too much from too soon.

You could see by the actions of Moyes re: Barkley...that new players with a bit of talent were not allowed to make a mistake or they were dropped....this created players playing with fear therefore not allowing themselves to be able to express themselves. This is openly encouraged by Martinez therefore the player does not have a fear factor to contend with. I still believe Stones would not have been a regular for us under Moyes.

What I cannot understand is the persistent mistake makers in Osman, Hibbert, Neville being granted such leeway. Moyes certainly had his faults with man management....hit some with a tonne of bricks and turned a blind eye to others. Could not have been seen as fair for players behind the scenes.

 

[edge]

On what planet was Beckford a flop?

Thought he did ok for us,
At the level of spending we operate on, we are bound to have a few misses in the market.
On the whole I think Moyes did more than ok and could be argued was his strongest piont

 

[Ihaters]

People saying Moyes wasn't good when he spent big on a player need to consider something..at 15m for his record signing.. he never actually got to spend big on a player.

He bought, kept or sold and continued to recycle the squad, improving as often as he could do so, the difference in quality from the squad he took over to the squad he inherited is far more than the value of money he was given to do it. Somewhere around 10m net if I remember rightly.

Moyes was a transfer boss, its that simple, few could touch him and that's a key reason why, with barely any funding, we moved up the league to become a feared opponent and battle for the European spaces.

In fact he spent more on the aforementioned Fellaini than he was actually given over the entire course of his time there, because he was so good at generating his own funds through player sales and subsequent squad improvements, he made enough to buy an entire quality squad including our record signing and nearly broke even. What more do you want from transfer signings..

 

[davek]

You could see the impact on the squad of players Moyes had in Baines' words in his radio interview yesterday. Baines said that the players when Moyes left were interested in having a different style of play and a manager who could bring that.

They were good players and must have been frustrated at the way they had to play under Moyes on the majority of occasions.

 

[MACCA75]

Joao Silva
Magaye Gueye
James Beattie
James McFadden
D Bilyaletdinov
Jermaine Beckford
A Vellios
Lucas Jutkiewicz
Johnny Heitinga
Dan Gosling
Richard Wright
Simon Davies
Anderson Da Silva
Scott Spencer
Per Kroldrup
Andy Van Der Meyde

Can all be considered as Moyes flops, for me.

Money paid for all of the above, as didn't want to include the awful freebies he signed.

Christ, the man had no money, we had to take risks. The likes of Scott Spencer, Gueye, Velios, Gosling etc cost buttons. Give me 9 of them with one Seamus Coleman any day.

 

[MACCA75]

I must firmly disagree with you

I'm not saying Ross should have been playing every match at the start of the season, but his performance against Arsenal was good enough that he deserved another chance, a chance he never received

Moyes had a few sly digs at Ross in pressers too. I'm sure someone can find the quotes somewhere. He was ready to tar Ross with the "Attitude Problems" brush and have him out of the club. Martinez was a lot more supportive of Ross than Moyes ever was. It's a huge black eye on his tenure here, and one of the few things I have no problem laying into him for

He was ready to tar him with 'attitude problems and have him out of the club'.

Yet he hadn't. Lend me that crystal ball sometime.

 

[MACCA75]

People saying Moyes wasn't good when he spent big on a player need to consider something..at 15m for his record signing.. he never actually got to spend big on a player.

He bought, kept or sold and continued to recycle the squad, improving as often as he could do so, the difference in quality from the squad he took over to the squad he inherited is far more than the value of money he was given to do it. Somewhere around 10m net if I remember rightly.

Moyes was a transfer boss, its that simple, few could touch him and that's a key reason why, with barely any funding, we moved up the league to become a feared opponent and battle for the European spaces.

In fact he spent more on the aforementioned Fellaini than he was actually given over the entire course of his time there, because he was so good at generating his own funds through player sales and subsequent squad improvements, he made enough to buy an entire quality squad including our record signing and nearly broke even. What more do you want from transfer signings..

Absolute madness isn't it. Compare that with the signings Brendan Rogers has made for example.

 

[Boss_Blue]

Moyes success with transfers was remarkable when compared with other managers working on much higher budgets.

 

[Brendan Janus]

Talksport reckon Rogers has spent 300 million, they didn't say how much he had recouped though !!

 

[Ron Burgundy]

On what planet was Beckford a flop?

Wasn't good enough. Therefore, a flop.

 

[MACCA75]

Wasn't good enough. Therefore, a flop.

Lol free transfer on low wages who comes in and scores ten goals. Ok mate. No idea why we didn't just sign Messi instead.

 

[Brendan Janus]

Thought Beckford did ok for us to be fair !!

 

[bluemangroup]

Thought he did ok for us,
At the level of spending we operate on, we are bound to have a few misses in the market.
On the whole I think Moyes did more than ok and could be argued was his strongest piont

Got a few goals and turned a 4m profit on him after a season. He was just good business.
If you're operating in such tight margins comparatively to those around you and maintaining your position on average, before the huge boom in money for the next man to take us further again....seems like a pretty good job done to me.