The Moyes influence on Everton.

[Ihaters]

Moyes did a superb job getting this squad ready for a flair manager to take over and do something ace with. From a position of real disadvantage he overtook some serious clubs we were no where near before hand. But he got us to a stage where we couldn't go further, due to the managers own constraints and the clubs financial constraints, and to be honest, very few managers could of improved us the way he did or indeed taken us much further.

How Moyes would of done with Martinez level of backing we won't know, but we do know that we improved hugely under Moyes despite having to pawn his knife to buy a youth defender from Barnsley.

I think Moyes legacy will be one of progress against the odds.. Martinez has money to spend and a good squad to start, and with it has managed to introduce a potentially great brand of football that, although still needing a lot of work, is currently looking like it could be the real deal, and if that's the case, we went from the perfect manager to rebuild us to the perfect manager to lead us forwards and finally to win something, hopefully Martinez's legacy.

Martinez without replacing Moyes would likely of seen us relegated imo
Moyes without being replaced by Martinez would likely of seen us continue exactly as we were with little chance of moving from 5th to 8th spot and almost no chance of winning anything.

A great addition to our history from him really, but long over due time Everton took the next step and became successful instead of just improved.

 

[Billy Dean]

Was a Moyes fan for a long time but lost my respect for him after the 2012 FA Cup semi against the RS. Then even more so following his behavior upon leaving. Did a good job in turning us from relegation candidates to regular top 8 finishers, which I think will turn out to be his niche in the game.

 

[mkrudden]

Some of the revisionism on here is unbelievable.

Mate, you're making out like he was some sort of messiah.

In your view, what were his faults?

 

[Saint Domingo]

Mate, you're making out like he was some sort of messiah.

In your view, what were his faults?

Playing players out of position,
Not addressing gaps in the squad unless he got a quality replacement or a kid...he'd rather play Neville than just buy a decent right back for all those years before Coleman came, putting his natural playmakers on the flanks and not in the middle, sticking to 4231 when his early success came with 4141, bottling derbies, buying cheap rubbish strikers rather than pushing the board for quality additions, sitting back on single goal leads, not taking cups seriously. Loads of things, just not some of the ridiculous things being brought up here. I've just readjust Arteta and Pienaar were safe loanees to fit Moyes system. Probably two of our best ever prem players talent wise. Craziness.

 

[mkrudden]

Playing players out of position,
Not addressing gaps in the squad unless he got a quality replacement or a kid...he'd rather play Neville than just buy a decent right back for all those years before Coleman came, putting his natural playmakers on the flanks and not in the middle, sticking to 4231 when his early success came with 4141, bottling derbies, buying cheap rubbish strikers rather than pushing the board for quality additions, sitting back on single goal leads, not taking cups seriously. Loads of things, just not some of the ridiculous things being brought up here. I've just readjust Arteta and Pienaar were safe loanees to fit Moyes system. Probably two of our best ever prem players talent wise. Craziness.

Yeah that is just crazy.

 

[The Equaliser]

Some of the revisionism on here is unbelievable.

Poor effort really to be only finishing 5th or 6th with a team built with little or no money. Clearly he should have had us regularly in the top 4 if not challenging for the title itself.

Massive, massive failure.

 

[bluemangroup]

Mate, you're making out like he was some sort of messiah.

In your view, what were his faults?

He's only said the revisionism is unbelievable and it is. Very few of those not particularly fond of him find it so difficult to admit he had plus points whilst pressing others to admit his faults all over the shop.

 

[mythbuster]

He's only said the revisionism is unbelievable and it is. Very few of those not particularly fond of him find it so difficult to admit he had plus points whilst pressing others to admit his faults all over the shop.

It's pretty much the same with Martinez.

Welcome to the age of the internet. Everybody has an opinion or agenda that they feel the need to argue is correct.

 

[marty mcfly]

Poor effort really to be only finishing 5th or 6th with a team built with little or no money. Clearly he should have had us regularly in the top 4 if not challenging for the title itself.

Massive, massive failure.

"The kind is dead, long live the king"

 

[davek]

Moyes had his qualities:

Made the players fit and focussed
Team discipline
Brought in good talent on the cheap
Consistently got top half finishes

But he was a basic manager who's real skill was to work out that he'd be given longevity in the job if he maintained respectability in league position and was passive about the chaos off the pitch.

He's been in football management for 17 years and won nothing.

 

[Bungle]

Moyes had his qualities:

Made the players fit and focussed
Team discipline
Brought in good talent on the cheap
Consistently got top half finishes

But he was a basic manager who's real skill was to work out that he'd be given longevity in the job if he maintained respectability in league position and was passive about the chaos off the pitch.

He's been in football management for 17 years and won nothing.

How stupid do you feel now huh?

 

[WarringtonBlue]

I grew up watching the 1997/8 season, Walter smith, selling big dunc, surviving one season thanks to Super Kevin Campbell.

Moyes was what we needed. We would never be able to take Martinez as a manager without Moyes. I find it hard to compare the two as they came from two different eras and had two radically different purposes for the club. I am grateful for the stabilisation he brought. He found rough gems and made them diamonds (well him and his scout team). he was one game away from glory several times. Towards the end of his tenure we played with a bit more style. The fact his back 4 served Martinez so well in 13/14 is testament to his ability to build a defence, even if Martinez changed the function of that defence radically.

However, I never felt comfortable going into a top 4 match with him. Not to say I always do with Martinez, but 'plucky Everton' would often muck it up. Some of his style was ponderous. He didn't trust youth and was forever pragmatic, cautious. I would welcome him back to the ground but I wouldn't have him as manager again

 

[Stikapos]

Playing players out of position,
Not addressing gaps in the squad unless he got a quality replacement or a kid...he'd rather play Neville than just buy a decent right back for all those years before Coleman came, putting his natural playmakers on the flanks and not in the middle, sticking to 4231 when his early success came with 4141, bottling derbies, buying cheap rubbish strikers rather than pushing the board for quality additions, sitting back on single goal leads, not taking cups seriously. Loads of things, just not some of the ridiculous things being brought up here. I've just readjust Arteta and Pienaar were safe loanees to fit Moyes system. Probably two of our best ever prem players talent wise. Craziness.

I know this is slightly off topic, but isn't the out of position point also applicable to the current squad ? Perhaps an institutional point ?
Perhaps with the success of Galloway and the new defender (Funes ?), something/someone has to shift to midfield ?

The most popular criticism about Moyes back here in Boston was that he substituted little and late.
tim

 

[davek]

How stupid do you feel now huh?

Good old Moyesie. At least he isn't Rodgers.

 

[Joey66]

His two largest transfers were Fellaini and Yakubu. Both very good players. Bily was a dud, fine. Then it was Baines perhaps the best LB in our history. Remind me again where he wasted all that money buying big?

James Beattie 6 million - when Dean Ashton for one million down the road at Crewe was the obvious choice - and AVM -Simon Davies - Kaldrop etc!