The all new David Moyes poll (for Davek)

[wandyr79]

If only everyone had a crystal ball and knew mid season Everton were not getting relegated eh. We could have all just chilled out
And i think it still kills you Moyes walked in and with the exact same players pulled the club immediately away from that relegation spot.

This is it for me. Nothing is set in a factual base, when the 'we were fine' argument comes out. People who say this may not have heard of the butterfly effect.

Any number of different scenarios could have played out, if Moyes did not get us that quick boost. Confidence levels of other teams change, for example. We still had to play some of them, those games could have been a lose situation and they would have gone above us, etc. In hindsight, we can all go back and say we were comfortable, but the reality was that we did not know when our next point was coming from, after the Bournemouth game I am sure a large proportion of us were thinking where our next goal was coming from, I certainly was in that thought process.

The 'Poor bottom 3', only needed 8 points' rhetoric completely ignores different scenarios playing out with different actions the club takes. We can easily say that if Moyes starts the season we get into Europe as the points per game displayed that. Obviously that may not have been the case, different scenarios and all that.

 

[Gilbert..]

The regression is a worry as we are getting worse rather than improving. 3 games could change it but if the current trend continues we will be bottom half again next season.

Moyes
24/25 H2 19 games 31 points ppg 1.63
25/26 H1 19 games 28 points ppg 1.47
25/26 H2 16 games 20 points ppg 1.25

So you've decided to split the season in two because the first part has more points over more games.
Lol

 

[JLW]

all over twitter that iraola is close to joining crystal palace. ridiculous if he is willing to go there and we didnt even try for him

Sickening this! And we have fans who think we couldnt get him. pfffft

 

[Gilbert..]

Yeah, totally. Back then it was on Toffeeweb for me, but the debates are all the same.

Bluekipper Moyes threads are more or less the same as the ones on here now.
RIP Paul Mac. Ran kipper. Top lad.

 

[Tipp blue]

Aston Villa surely?

Even Newcastle have won a pot. Crystal Palace too very recently.

I said sustained period of success. Villa are the closest but have won nothing since their inter toto success in 2001. Palace won the FA cup but are now back lower mid table. Newcastle have more money than anyone but cant spend it. When i say succes it's winning a pot every few years and constant qualification for Europe via league places.

 

[windymiller]

I said sustained period of success. Villa are the closest but have won nothing since their inter toto success in 2001. Palace won the FA cup but are now back lower mid table. Newcastle have more money than anyone but cant spend it. When i say succes it's winning a pot every few years and constant qualification for Europe via league places.

Palace are in a European semi-final with a healthy lead going into a home second leg, to be fair. They're two games away from two trophies in two years. I'd bite your hand off for that, personally.

 

[Saint Domingo]

That's more alarming than I thought.

We all accepted he did a sterling job when he came in. Had us safe quickly and had us attacking the likes of United at home (albeit blowing a two-goal lead). This season has been more of a grind, but the trend is only going one way - and this after spending 120m last summer. Objectively, we have to expect the trend to be going in the other direction.

Even that game was another example of just solidifying this ‘nearly, but something bad always happens’ mindset. 2-0 up against a United team that didn’t want to even be on the pitch with us and again we concede a worldie, have a bad refereeing decision against us and end up dropping points to dent a really good run of form.

The years pass but this stays the same. We need a manager who just wins those types of games.

 

[davep]

If we’re aiming to operate like them, why keep Moyes?

Cos he's done well since he came back. And is the last manager to have us in Europe for more than a season.

 

[Lanolin]

Palace are in a European semi-final with a healthy lead going into a home second leg, to be fair. They're two games away from two trophies in two years. I'd bite your hand off for that, personally.

Realistically that's what success is for us now. You can never say never but some people seem to talk about it as if we can have a year or two of stability and then just kick on and become a regular CL qualifier and within a couple of years be trying to win the league. For me that's just totally pie in the sky, 'success' is going to be knocking around the top 6, winning a trophy and having some good aways in Europe, hopefully picking up a European trophy too. I'm not sure you need stability to be aiming for that.

Maybe i'm kidding myself but I think I could just walk away happy if I saw us win a trophy. I feel like for years i've carried on going to the game and being invested in the whole thing always just thinking imagine if we finally won a trophy and I wasn't there after all this. I don't see us ever becoming an all conquering team so just ticking off that box and having that moment of joy would be enough for me I reckon.

 

[Gilbert..]

This is it for me. Nothing is set in a factual base, when the 'we were fine' argument comes out. People who say this may not have heard of the butterfly effect.

Any number of different scenarios could have played out, if Moyes did not get us that quick boost. Confidence levels of other teams change, for example. We still had to play some of them, those games could have been a lose situation and they would have gone above us, etc. In hindsight, we can all go back and say we were comfortable, but the reality was that we did not know when our next point was coming from, after the Bournemouth game I am sure a large proportion of us were thinking where our next goal was coming from, I certainly was in that thought process.

The 'Poor bottom 3', only needed 8 points' rhetoric completely ignores different scenarios playing out with different actions the club takes. We can easily say that if Moyes starts the season we get into Europe as the points per game displayed that. Obviously that may not have been the case, different scenarios and all that.

Nailed it.
I'm not gona drag it all up again as its now history but i was worried. When you cant even muster a shot at the opposition goal the best you can hope for is a 0-0. Longer that went on the longer it takes us to even reach 25 points and give those like ipswich something to fight for.
Moyes nipped it in the bud within a few weeks.

 

[Swartzy]

All very familiar issues here first time around & again now. Thought last season he may have changed but he’s reverted to type this season & we are regressing again.

Feels like a missed opportunity with the change of ownership, new stadium & the form of some other teams.

He has always been a man that is better with less than more, and that includes transfer allowance.

Always good at finding a bargain, but not shopping for a designer label..

His best signing for West ham was a lad at Hull

 

[efcste97]

Cos he's done well since he came back. And is the last manager to have us in Europe for more than a season.

It’s such a surface-level way of looking at things though. Personally, I think it could get stale very quickly if the same issues Moyes has shown for the last 20 years continue, it can be ignored if it results in Europe, not so much if we're hovering around mid table.

I hope the race for Europe next season is close as it is now, cos we would have a real good chance with the right buys.

 

[Swartzy]

Palace are in a European semi-final with a healthy lead going into a home second leg, to be fair. They're two games away from two trophies in two years. I'd bite your hand off for that, personally.

Palace will still sell the best he has, he would just be moving in a straight line.
Probably more on a downward curve now..

 

[Moomin]

Why would we want to see an attacking team with pace?????

I want to see us play an old team and not give any youngsters a chance.

A bank of 4 and 5 behind the ball.

 

[windymiller]

Palace will still sell the best he has, he would just be moving in a straight line.
Probably more on a downward curve now..

Whilst that's possibly true, a realistic chance at two trophies in two years is something I haven't felt at Everton since I was a child. There really is nothing like the feeling of winning something. I was far more elated when we won the fa cup than I was when we qualified for the preliminary rounds of the champions league, for example. We have a whole generation of fans that has never seen us lift a trophy. It's a tragedy for a club of our stature. I just want to win something, and I don't see it happening under Moyes. His one pot in 25 years of management (most of it top flight) doesn't fill me full of optimism.