The all new David Moyes poll (for Davek)

[Bluepablo]

From that article, this is very interesting.

All very familiar issues here first time around & again now. Thought last season he may have changed but he’s reverted to type this season & we are regressing again.

Feels like a missed opportunity with the change of ownership, new stadium & the form of some other teams.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Feel like Moyes appears more divisive that all our previous managers and I don't understand how that's possible.

Probably the history with him.

There were enough who were glad he went or at least thought it was time for a change first time round.

He's generating much the same complaints as last time out, we've more money, and folk are saying they've been patient long enough. I get it, I think Moyes needs a few seasons to do his best work, but we've all lived that before. Some really don't want to.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Poll is looking a bit more interesting now @davek

 

[efcste97]

If this somehow happens, it completely puts to bed the usual “Everton could never attract him” or “he’ll be looking at bigger and better things” line that the patronising crowd love to throw around when belittling the club.

Probably agent talk to hurry up utd maybe?

 

[Toffeepot]

Poll is looking a bit more interesting now @davek

He doesn't recognise it

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

He doesn't recognise it

'Kin rigged from the get go.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Midway through last season we were 1 point above the relegation zone with loads of our fans telling us every waking minute of the day that no manager would possibly be able to come in and get a tune out of our terrible players.

Moyes rocked up last season, with us on 17 points from 19th games.

18th went down on 25 points.

So Moyes needed 8 points from 57 available, 8 points from 19 games to see us safe. Praise the lord he managed it. Phew.

He got an uplift from multi millionaires after nuts and bolts, hard yaaaaards, do the basics Sean Dyche.

He did well, last season. Immediate uplift, and no threat of relegation at all given the bottom 3 were so poor give the breathing room.

This season? Well he's got progressively worse and has a lower points per game than Allardyce.

Why didn't we keep Allardyce?

Moyes has spent a club record amount - no point deduction chaos, no ownership chaos, and he has us level on points with Dyche's only full season with 3 games to go.

The thing is though - when your comparing to Sean Dyche, or Sam Allardyce - you've already lost.

 

[Gilbert..]

I wasn't looking to judge you on your answer, just highlighting those 3 clubs have been relegated then promoted then won a pot while we have remained stagnant, whatever manager we've had.

Yeah. I think on here unless you're shoeing Moyes you cant say much without people thinking you're pro moyes.
Theres also a flip side. Would Moyes have done as much with that squad Emery walked into. Imo unlikely.

 

[MikeH72]

Moyes rocked up last season, with us on 17 points from 19th games.

18th went down on 25 points.

So Moyes needed 8 points from 57 available, 19 games to see us safe. Praise the lord he managed it. Phew.

He got an uplift from multi millionaires after nuts and bolts, hard yaaaaards, do the basics Sean Dyche.

He did well, last season. Immediate uplift, and no threat of relegation at all given the bottom 3 were so poor give the breathing room.

This season? Well he's got progressively worse and has a lower points per game than Allardyce.

Why didn't we keep Allardyce?

Moyes has spent a club record amount - no point deduction chaos, no ownership chaos, and he has us level on points with Dyche's only full season with 3 games to go.

The thing is though - when your comparing to Sean Dyche, or Sam Allardyce - you've already lost.

Sorry, you were one of the main people on here planting the seed that he wasn’t going to do any better than Dyche. I’ve got the receipts

The fact of the matter is that Dyche had us 1 point clear of those terrible teams in the bottom 3 at the half way point of the season, and none of us could see into the future to predict that they’d all fall off a cliff and fail to pick up 30 points sadly. So yes, at the time, we were in a relegation battle despite how tempting it might be to use hindsight to rewrite history.

 

[brian labone]

I am unable to understand why some of our fans vote yes and to go on and on never even getting close to winning anything, plus wasting a lot of money buying dud player, maybe I cant see what others can see, but I very much don't think so. If I am wrong I absolutely dread more of Moyes next season. Having seen the blues win quite a number of things over my 75years of watching it makes me feel I will never see again under Moyes.

 

[Pootsy]

Yeah. I think on here unless you're shoeing Moyes you cant say much without people thinking you're pro moyes.
Theres also a flip side. Would Moyes have done as much with that squad Emery walked into. Imo unlikely.

Hard to tell, isn't it. He didn't do too well at Arsenal. Its all about the fit and Emery seems to have found his again at Villa. I'd love to see Araiola here though as I think we've some very interesting, young players starting to show what they are capable of and playing in a more fluid attacking style might help them. Though we have seen many times our defensive frailities on the counter so who knows how well he'd do.

 

[Gilbert..]

Moyes rocked up last season, with us on 17 points from 19th games.

18th went down on 25 points.

So Moyes needed 8 points from 57 available, 19 games to see us safe. Praise the lord he managed it. Phew.

He got an uplift from multi millionaires after nuts and bolts, hard yaaaaards, do the basics Sean Dyche.

He did well, last season. Immediate uplift, and no threat of relegation at all given the bottom 3 were so poor give the breathing room.

This season? Well he's got progressively worse and has a lower points per game than Allardyce.

Why didn't we keep Allardyce?

Moyes has spent a club record amount - no point deduction chaos, no ownership chaos, and he has us level on points with Dyche's only full season with 3 games to go.

The thing is though - when your comparing to Sean Dyche, or Sam Allardyce - you've already lost.

If only everyone had a crystal ball and knew mid season Everton were not getting relegated eh. We could have all just chilled out
And i think it still kills you Moyes walked in and with the exact same players pulled the club immediately away from that relegation spot.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Sorry, you were one of the main people on here planting the seed that he wasn’t going to do any better than Dyche. I’ve got the receipts

I have receipts showing you foaming at the mouth of Moyes' return and wanting Duncan Ferguson instead. You was often on Ancelottis case too, wasn't the right man for us you'd say. We could play that game all day.

But remember when is the lowest form of conversation, and it's all you seem to offer this forum. Every Moyes discussion seems to have you wading in with WHATABOUT DYCHE, HE'S BETTER THAN DYCHE, DAVEK SAID HE WANTED SOUTHGATE.

Ironically, comparing like for like - Dyche arrived with us at our lowest ever points total in our clubs history, with only 2 other teams in PL history ever staying up with that points total. West Brom (04/05) with the greatest escape ever, and Leicester 2014/15 stayed up with less after 20 games, 1 point less, 14 from 20. They won the league the season after. You'd wrote us off for relegation, I'd wrote us off, most had - he kept us up. Dyche then navigated his only full season with absolute chaos to earn the points from 12th. The wheels then come off, and he had to go when new owners come in, and he did.

I understood the Dyche circumstance, necessary medicine to Moshiri's chaos until new owners come in.

Moyes - just not for me. He come in, yeah did OK, but lets see where we finish this season, it could very well mirror Dyche's only full season and see how next season goes. If the wheels come off an he goes next season, then his impact is less than Dyche, and more damaging if he has another transfer window like the last considering we made profit every window under the last manager.

Personally, I'd hope to be making comparisons on a new manager to managers at Everton who had actually won something.

 

[Drico]

Welcome to Everton Soucek and Jarrad Bowen.

We wouldn't get Bowen. We'd get John Stones. And he'll look great partnering Jarrad Branthwaite on the treatment table.

 

[MikeH72]

If only everyone had a crystal ball and knew mid season Everton were not getting relegated eh. We could have all just chilled out
And i think it still kills you Moyes walked in and with the exact same players pulled the club immediately away from that relegation spot.

This is the crux of it. It’s why a clean break is just best for all concerned, the arguments are utterly tedious beyond belief and clearly neither side is budging an inch. Even if we were to finish 6th, or god forbid win a trophy, the goalposts would be shifted one way or another to dilute the achievement because people just simply don’t like him.

Shake his hand, thank you David for picking up an utter bin fire and leaving us in a better place for the second time, and onwards we move. I can’t deal with another season of this. I’m tired and bored.