What's the best way for THE FANS to sample on field success?

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Fascinating and polite discussion in the Moyes stay or go thread between @davek @jago1878 and @johnjoeefc leads me to ponder "what's our best way of sampling success as THE FANS.

Patience with a wider process not necessarily involvingMoyes, jumping ship, or backing Moyes long term? Or another option?

 

[Swartzy]

 

[jago1878]

I think a lot of fans are happy to 'build', whatever that means.

31 years without any form of success and we went out of both cups this season without even trying.

Some fans will argue we're a big club while telling others they're nuts for wanting success. They need to make their minds up.

Right now fans of Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth have bigger aspirations than us..

Is that really where we are as a club? Because we've had some bad seasons we 'should be careful what we wish for'?

It's sad to see. There shouldn't ever be a season where Everton aren't aiming to try and win some sort of silverware.

 

[Rita_Poon]

break the golf clubs out and polish up your short and medium game to take on the stadium golf challenge.

 

[Nymzee]

Blammos

 

[windymiller]

I think a lot of fans are happy to 'build', whatever that means.

31 years without any form of success and we went out of both cups this season without even trying.

Some fans will argue we're a big club while telling others they're nuts for wanting success. They need to make their minds up.

Right now fans of Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth have bigger aspirations than us..

Is that really where we are as a club? Because we've had some bad seasons we 'should be careful what we wish for'?

It's sad to see. There shouldn't ever be a season where Everton aren't aiming to try and win some sort of silverware.

100% this ^^

There will be fans of this club five years from now still preaching "patience". They can do one. We've been patient for thirty years.

Some goon will be along soon with a condescending tone calling me unrealistic and asking me "what do I want, we were battling relegation the last three years". Losers beget losing begets more losers. We need an attitude adjustment from fans, through the coaches and players, all the way up to the executive. Without it, we'll just carry on making up the numbers, pretending that a top half finish is an achievement. NSNO shouldn't just be some embroidery it should be our no.1 aspiration. We won't get it every time but it should be what we strive for every time.

 

[johnjoeefc]

100% this ^^

There will be fans of this club five years from now still preaching "patience". They can do one. We've been patient for thirty years.

Some goon will be along soon with a condescending tone calling me unrealistic and asking me "what do I want, we were battling relegation the last three years". Losers beget losing begets more losers. We need an attitude adjustment from fans, through the coaches and players, all the way up to the executive. Without it, we'll just carry on making up the numbers, pretending that a top half finish is an achievement. NSNO shouldn't just be some embroidery it should be our no.1 aspiration. We won't get it every time but it should be what we strive for every time.

While true, the facts are we need to build now because the rules dictate it. Building increases allowed finances and finances lead to success. Unfortunately thats the way of it.

You may get one freak season where you can overachieve but if a team like Tottenham can spend three times what we are permitted to spend then your never going to be able to stay above them for any more than a season or two.

 

[GoldenToffee]

..... what success?

 

[Rita_Poon]

100% this ^^

There will be fans of this club five years from now still preaching "patience". They can do one. We've been patient for thirty years.

Some goon will be along soon with a condescending tone calling me unrealistic and asking me "what do I want, we were battling relegation the last three years". Losers beget losing begets more losers. We need an attitude adjustment from fans, through the coaches and players, all the way up to the executive. Without it, we'll just carry on making up the numbers, pretending that a top half finish is an achievement. NSNO shouldn't just be some embroidery it should be our no.1 aspiration. We won't get it every time but it should be what we strive for every time.

you wouldn't happen to have any of these choice cuts to hand would you, anything where a losing mentality or willingness to actively go out and lose games, it'd help a great deal for contexts sake.

 

[NeilMorepies]

For those considering the City option don’t, it’s a trap. Their Jigsaws and mugs are mediocre at best.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

Sky blue is the worst shade of blue ever but it's the Varuca Salt method of success so go for it, little kiddies.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Support Bayern as a 2nd team?

 

[Neiler]

Fascinating and polite discussion in the Moyes stay or go thread between @davek @jago1878 and @johnjoeefc leads me to ponder "what's our best way of sampling success as THE FANS.

Patience with a wider process not necessarily involvingMoyes, jumping ship, or backing Moyes long term? Or another option?

Streaking!

 

[Daytripper]

I think a lot of fans are happy to 'build', whatever that means.

31 years without any form of success and we went out of both cups this season without even trying.

Some fans will argue we're a big club while telling others they're nuts for wanting success. They need to make their minds up.

Right now fans of Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth have bigger aspirations than us..

Is that really where we are as a club? Because we've had some bad seasons we 'should be careful what we wish for'?

It's sad to see. There shouldn't ever be a season where Everton aren't aiming to try and win some sort of silverware.

 

[9LeagueTitles5FACups]

Obviously the club in question is us but I feel that this is a flawed suggestion. Would our supporters rather win the Championship play-offs (for instance) than be ever-present in the Premier League? I highly doubt it. Of course, it's different for winning major honours but many of the clubs being considered there have had little to shout about in their entire history.