Succession Planning - Managerial Wishlist

[Marcus Kendall]

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But we curse our club for doing it.

I dont look at stats, so I cant answer that, maybe look at their other forwards goal counts..

If he's higher, thats surely merit.

Do we? Which player who has played half the games for us this season has been harshly taken out of the team?

 

[Swartzy]

Not half the games, but we have a totally different approach to Bournemouth.

Rohl
Alcaraz
Dibling
Aznou

All have been questioned why not playing, none of them have made an impact like Croupi

 

[hetion]

But we curse our club for doing it.

I dont look at stats, so I cant answer that, maybe look at their other forwards goal counts..

If he's higher, thats surely merit.

Tbf giving him a bench appearance after starting the last 6 in a row isn't quite the same as the 'give your best performance for the club and literally never be seen again' approach Moyes has taken with Aznou and Rohl.

I'd be hesitant criticising any part of how Iraola handles young players when in the last two seasons ALONE he's brought through:

Kroupi
Rayan
Huijsen
Zabarnyi
Kerkez
Scott
Jimenez

Toth looks to be another one already, and Milosavljević has had 3 starts as an 18 year old CB too.

 

[preposterousvelios]

Yet leaves kroupi on the bench.

Kroupi got bullied out of the game first time we played them this season. Unreal player but he's not ready to be play up top by himself against PL centre backs. Especially against a team that defends in the way we do.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

how did it go the last time Everton appointed a manager who left his club in a mess after winning the FA Cup?

 

[Zatara]

You really would like us to be another Bournemouth. 12th?? Heard it all now. We are 8th after a bad week bet hey lets strive to be better and be 12th

More would get behind him? The only place I hear the Moyes out shouts are in here. In the real world everyone I meet are behind him.

If you think the likes of Dave would take 100m+ to be spent and 12th to show for it then where have you been hiding?

I'm not sure you understand my point.

If we finish the season

A: 1 place out of europe with the team selections as theyve been so far.

B: 12th/13th but with multiple younger players further along with their development

Then clearly option B is better. That is because we would be able to focus spending in the summer on fewer positions which means higher quality.

I would question any supporter who would prefer finishing e.g 9th with these team selections over seeing Aznou, Dibling, Armstrong, George and others given much more game time and ending 12th.

Its common sense. Or else you may as well give Keane and Gana, Coleman type contracts to last forever.

Not questioning whether he could or couldn't. like I said, you don't know unless you try.

But You are looking at the complete opposite of club models, so you can't take away how big a part the club "behind his face" plays in there success..


"Everton can't buy the finished article unless taking gambles"

Every player is somewhat a gamble Zat, kids more than anything.
So that was a silly response..

Disagree with this.

The purpose of hiring a manager like Iraola is for his coaching and player development (amongst others). Its not his ability to scout players.

The DOF (which we now dont have) should sign the players with the head coach...doing what Iraola does.

Regarding signing players....

Top players do not go to Everton. Therefore that was exactly as i said, an incorrect opinion.

Everton can gamble on players turning out to be better than others think. They can also take risk on the likes of KDH & Ndiaye who dont work elsewhere.

But signing young players with a manager noted for developing them gives the club the greatest chance of having "top players".

 

[Zatara]

Yet leaves kroupi on the bench.

He's done it plenty of times, sure he uses him more now as an impact sub.

If we rested our best on merit players we would have a new thread.

Well hes started half the matches looking at the stats, Bournemouth have options upfront so as a 19 year old new to the league I'd say that's about what you'd expect. He's scored goals but I'd imagine his performances have been inconsistent too being 19 and new to the league so unless you're a Bournemouth fan and know more about his level of performance you can't say he's been their best player on merit and harshly taken out of the team at times

Kroupi was gradually brought in as Moyes should have done with Dibling and Aznou.

However, the last 7 games have seen him come off the bench once...vs us. The other 6 he started.

So it appears as though he was rested after starting 6 games straight.

 

[willo30]

I'm not sure you understand my point.

If we finish the season

A: 1 place out of europe with the team selections as theyve been so far.

B: 12th/13th but with multiple younger players further along with their development

Then clearly option B is better. That is because we would be able to focus spending in the summer on fewer positions which means higher quality.

I would question any supporter who would prefer finishing e.g 9th with these team selections over seeing Aznou, Dibling, Armstrong, George and others given much more game time and ending 12th.

Its common sense. Or else you may as well give Keane and Gana, Coleman type contracts to last forever.

Why 9th and out of Europe? Is that to suit your argument? Team selections so far have us 8th. We are 8th now with the possibility of Europe depending on the cups. I expect us to finish 7th anyway.
Last season we won our mini league to finish 13th. This season I expect us to win our mini league again to finish 7th.
That is progression. Not finishing 12th.

 

[Zatara]

Tbf giving him a bench appearance after starting the last 6 in a row isn't quite the same as the 'give your best performance for the club and literally never be seen again' approach Moyes has taken with Aznou and Rohl.

I'd be hesitant criticising any part of how Iraola handles young players when in the last two seasons ALONE he's brought through:

Kroupi
Rayan
Huijsen
Zabarnyi
Kerkez
Scott
Jimenez

Toth looks to be another one already, and Milosavljević has had 3 starts as an 18 year old CB too.

I posted above before reading this, spot on

The difference being that if Everton had a manager who developed that many young players then we'd expect to hold onto most if not all of them and build a top 4 challenging side.

Thats what we need, exactly.

Is Iraola not ideal for us...

Kroupi got bullied out of the game first time we played them this season. Unreal player but he's not ready to be play up top by himself against PL centre backs. Especially against a team that defends in the way we do.

Hes been playing in an attacking midfield role i believe.

 

[Zatara]

Why 9th and out of Europe? Is that to suit your argument? Team selections so far have us 8th. We are 8th now with the possibility of Europe depending on the cups. I expect us to finish 7th anyway.
Last season we won our mini league to finish 13th. This season I expect us to win our mini league again to finish 7th.
That is progression. Not finishing 12th.

I see.

So your point of view is;

Crap football
Start players who will be sold next window
Start players who will be out of contract next window
Dont select players on merit
Dont develop young players

Achieve short term goal of league placing improvement


Mine is a little different and is based upon building a top young squad to consistently challenge for the top 4.


Oh and ive said since the summer that if Moyes gets europe he will stay a season. Hence why i used 9th place or 1place below europe (8th?) whatever it ends up being - both are meaningless.

 

[Bebeto]

Moyes is going nowhere anytime soon...in fact I am convinced his contract will be extended in the summer beyond 2027.

 

[little elfin]

 

[willo30]

I see.

So your point of view is;

Crap football
Start players who will be sold next window
Start players who will be out of contract next window
Dont select players on merit
Dont develop young players

Achieve short term goal of league placing improvement


Mine is a little different and is based upon building a top young squad to consistently challenge for the top 4.


Oh and ive said since the summer that if Moyes gets europe he will stay a season. Hence why i used 9th place or 1place below europe (8th?) whatever it ends up being - both are meaningless.

Difference is though mine is based on facts as Moyes is here now and that's where we are. Yours is based on hope that he could make the step up to a bigger club and make it work. Be great if he did but look at Ange and Frank going to Spurs after doing well. Even SG going to Villa after ripping it up in Scotland. It is no guarantee that what he has done at smaller clubs will work here. Do we know for sure it's him or just well run clubs like Brighton and Brentford?

Listen I would take him but I would expect improvement not to fall 4/5 places lower in the league. He would at the end of the day have the same squad that Moyes had bar what he got to add.

 

[Zatara]

Difference is though mine is based on facts as Moyes is here now and that's where we are. Yours is based on hope that he could make the step up to a bigger club and make it work. Be great if he did but look at Ange and Frank going to Spurs after doing well. Even SG going to Villa after ripping it up in Scotland. It is no guarantee that what he has done at smaller clubs will work here. Do we know for sure it's him or just well run clubs like Brighton and Brentford?

Listen I would take him but I would expect improvement not to fall 4/5 places lower in the league. He would at the end of the day have the same squad that Moyes had bar what he got to add.

I dont think Everton would quickly improve every season until winning the league.

Sometimes you take a step back, build a new young attacking team and take multiple steps forward.

Its a risk to ditch moyes. Its also a risk to keep him and see player development go down the toilet and chances for improvement ignored.

 

[preposterousvelios]

I posted above before reading this, spot on

The difference being that if Everton had a manager who developed that many young players then we'd expect to hold onto most if not all of them and build a top 4 challenging side.

Thats what we need, exactly.

Is Iraola not ideal for us...



Hes been playing in an attacking midfield role i believe.

Yh playing 10 for them. Maybe a clue there as to how we could use Braiden Graham who has a pretty similar skill set.