Succession Planning - Managerial Wishlist

[willo30]

I dont think Everton would quickly improve every season until winning the league.

Sometimes you take a step back, build a new young attacking team and take multiple steps forward.

Its a risk to ditch moyes. Its also a risk to keep him and see player development go down the toilet and chances for improvement ignored.

Who in reality uses the 1st team to develop a new team and style, that's what the youth teams are for.
It needs to be done there first so we reap the benefits later.

 

[Bluepablo]

Moyes is going nowhere anytime soon...in fact I am convinced his contract will be extended in the summer beyond 2027.

Have you got some inside info you can share?

 

[chopper6]

Poch
Carsley
Araola

 

[Swartzy]

Tbf giving him a bench appearance after starting the last 6 in a row isn't quite the same as the 'give your best performance for the club and literally never be seen again' approach Moyes has taken with Aznou and Rohl.

I'd be hesitant criticising any part of how Iraola handles young players when in the last two seasons ALONE he's brought through:

Kroupi
Rayan
Huijsen
Zabarnyi
Kerkez
Scott
Jimenez

Toth looks to be another one already, and Milosavljević has had 3 starts as an 18 year old CB too.

He doesn't sign the players though.
He coaches the players brought in.

The more experienced players in that squad people on here would turn there noses up at.

They sign a player, put a 100m release clause in his contract, he's going in the team know matter what.

 

[Swartzy]

I'm not sure you understand my point.

If we finish the season

A: 1 place out of europe with the team selections as theyve been so far.

B: 12th/13th but with multiple younger players further along with their development

Then clearly option B is better. That is because we would be able to focus spending in the summer on fewer positions which means higher quality.

I would question any supporter who would prefer finishing e.g 9th with these team selections over seeing Aznou, Dibling, Armstrong, George and others given much more game time and ending 12th.

Its common sense. Or else you may as well give Keane and Gana, Coleman type contracts to last forever.



Disagree with this.

The purpose of hiring a manager like Iraola is for his coaching and player development (amongst others). Its not his ability to scout players.

The DOF (which we now dont have) should sign the players with the head coach...doing what Iraola does.

Regarding signing players....

Top players do not go to Everton. Therefore that was exactly as i said, an incorrect opinion.

Everton can gamble on players turning out to be better than others think. They can also take risk on the likes of KDH & Ndiaye who dont work elsewhere.

But signing young players with a manager noted for developing them gives the club the greatest chance of having "top players".

The same as Frank was did.

 

[Swartzy]

Kroupi was gradually brought in as Moyes should have done with Dibling and Aznou.

However, the last 7 games have seen him come off the bench once...vs us. The other 6 he started.

So it appears as though he was rested after starting 6 games straight.

This is pointless debating, you are a fan of kids and nothing more.
You have no clue how Iraola would do here, you just know he's playing kids.
Kids Bournemouth brought in, not him..

If you're obsession is that extreme, watch the u21's instead..

 

[Bebeto]

Have you got some inside info you can share?

No inside info, but I would bet anything that moyes is safe as sound. The owners want stability. We will not win anything anytime soon, but we are likely to finish top 9/10 every season, perhaps even get far in some cup competitions in some seasons. Essentially what we had during his first spell at the club.

 

[Curtis]

I know if we hired Iraola we would definitely significantly more score goals from the bench and just in general, would definitely concede more too. It would be a lot more action packed on that level. Yes bournemouth bring in a lot of talented attacking players but Iraola just sets up and encourages his team to create scoring opportunities

 

[Drico]

I know if we hired Iraola we would definitely significantly more score goals from the bench and just in general, would definitely concede more too. It would be a lot more action packed on that level. Yes bournemouth bring in a lot of talented attacking players but Iraola just sets up and encourages his team to create scoring opportunities

He’s a positive coach, proactive. Moyes is reactive. However, I question Iraola on the basis that the Bs - Brighton, Bournemouth, and Brentford - seem to have superb data analytics and recruitment teams. Is Iraola merely the new Graham Potter or Thomas Frank? Is Keith Andrews the reason Brentford sit above us? Would he too fail at Spurs?

I think we need a renowned coach who can attract players who would otherwise ignore us. A Carlo or a Simeone. This shotcuts our idiot recruiters and puts the Friedkin riches to proper use. Probably a pipedream, however.

 

[hetion]

He doesn't sign the players though.
He coaches the players brought in.

The more experienced players in that squad people on here would turn there noses up at.

They sign a player, put a 100m release clause in his contract, he's going in the team know matter what.

I'm not sure I understand your point pal sorry.

 

[Swartzy]

I'm not sure I understand your point pal sorry.

Bournemouth are 24hr shop.
His job is to get those players in the window as quick as he can.

He's a very good coach, but he works with what he's given, which are pretty impressively recruited "young" players.
The same players that would be brought in, with or without him.

I like the bloke, but Bournemouth is nothing like Everton.

look at recent coaches that have failed the moment they moved from coaching in that kind of environment, to managing in our kind of environment..

Apart from all this, the likeliness of him being available to us with this summer turnaround of managers, is probably a fantasy..


Everything about Bournemouth is a dreamland for a young coach.

 

[hetion]

Bournemouth are 24hr shop.
His job is to get those players in the window as quick as he can.

He's a very good coach, but he works with what he's given, which are pretty impressively recruited "young" players.
The same players that would be brought in, with or without him.

I like the bloke, but Bournemouth is nothing like Everton.

look at recent coaches that have failed the moment they moved from coaching in that kind of environment, to managing in our kind of environment..

Apart from all this, the likeliness of him being available to us with this summer turnaround of managers, is probably a fantasy..


Everything about Bournemouth is a dreamland for a young coach.

All fair points and concerns bud.

My hunch is his coaching style would scale up better at a bigger club than say Frank or Glasner.

I'd be pretty excited to find out at Everton but as you say not super likely!

 

[matty1878]

Have you got some inside info you can share?

Common sense

 

[Swartzy]

All fair points and concerns bud.

My hunch is his coaching style would scale up better at a bigger club than say Frank or Glasner.

I'd be pretty excited to find out at Everton but as you say not super likely!

If the option somehow came up, i'd grab him.
But it's the conversation that gets me to respond. Its not just chat around a certain profile of coach, it's sticks on one name and gets heated that we haven't got him.

It's like me getting overheated each day about us not having Haaland, instead of just saying we need to look at that kind of striker profile..

 

[hetion]

If the option somehow came up, i'd grab him.
But it's the conversation that gets me to respond. Its not just chat around a certain profile of coach, it's sticks on one name and gets heated that we haven't got him.

It's like me getting overheated each day about us not having Haaland, instead of just saying we need to look at that kind of striker profile..

Haha tbf I haven't been keeping on top of all the chats

I suspect the leadership will have a list of 3 or 4 potential options (all clubs will at all times). I suspect Iraola is on there...haven't a clue who else would be though. Be a fascinating glimpse into where they see the club going.