Roberto Vs Ronald

[kenada_blue]

To be honest, I shouldn't have included the second 0-4 at Anfield - He'd already lost the dressing room by then. It was for this reason that I didn't include Leicester and Sunderland away.

I agree that the performances this season are amongst the worst I have ever seen, but you could tell that there was something seriously wrong. The games I have listed above, apart from the second 0-4 are at Anfield, were all in "okay" times. That is the difference for me - we were still capable of playing that badly under Martinez, even when things were going well(ish).

That was mainly down to his philosophy and Kamikaze defending. But at least he had a plan, brought in players to fullfil that plan.

Koeman was just clueless. Absolutely clueless.

 

[hetion]

Roberto totally lost the plot.

What I will say though, is as least you could tell what he was trying to do. Even if he couldn't execute it by the end, you knew what he wanted.

Koeman? Even football professionals haven't got a bloody clue what the plan was.

 

[davek]

Everton managers' Premier League record (after 47 games)

Manager Win %

Roberto Martinez 51.06%
David Moyes 44.68%
Ronald Koeman 40.43%
Howard Kendall 38.30%
Joe Royle 34.04%
Walter Smith 34.04%

...yes, I know: "and then the wheels fell off".

Still, let's not get silly and start denying RM had a terrific (almost) first half to his tenure here before the slide downhill in the second half of his tenure.

To compare that chump Koeman to Martinez is a travesty. Koeman is quite comfortably vying with the very worst managers we've ever had. An utterly clueless hologram of a manager who's catastrophic spending before he left has probably killed us for a generation, unless our academy can really come through with a lot of top class talent.

Thanks "Ronk".

 

[nsno-chris]

you think he should have lasted just 9 games after he got us our record prem points total and when we were bossing it in Europe?

Maybe a tad bit longer. The writing was on the wall at Xmas, thats when change was required

 

[arminisgod]

I'll be honest mate - those two examples you have provided are spot on (although to be honest, I seem to remember that we were hanging on at the end of the Newcastle game, to win 3-2). The problem I have with Martinez, is that there are more bad memories than there are good ones:-

0-4 at Anfield on two separate occasions.
3-6 at home to Chelsea
Leading 2-0 at home with ten minutes to go, against Arsenal, only to draw.
Leading 2-0 at home with ten minutes to go, against West Ham, only to lose.
Kiev away 2-5.

That game was mental. That was the best attacking display i'd ever seen from an Everton side.

 

[Boss_Blue]

Everton managers' Premier League record (after 47 games)

Manager Win %

Roberto Martinez 51.06%
David Moyes 44.68%
Ronald Koeman 40.43%
Howard Kendall 38.30%
Joe Royle 34.04%
Walter Smith 34.04%

...yes, I know: "and then the wheels fell off".

Still, let's not get silly and start denying RM had a terrific (almost) first half to his tenure here before the slide downhill in the second half of his tenure.

To compare that chump Koeman to Martinez is a travesty. Koeman is quite comfortably vying with the very worst managers we've ever had. An utterly clueless hologram of a manager who's catastrophic spending before he left has probably killed us for a generation, unless our academy can really come through with a lot of top class talent.

Thanks "Ronk".

Here he is.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

That game was mental. That was the best attacking display i'd ever seen from an Everton side.

I remember that game vividly and it was the most unjust scoreline ever of the 6 goals one was yards offside one an unlucky og and another took a deflection!

 

[longers]

Roberto at least gave me a few highs in his first season. Koemans football has never left me buzzing, even last season we mostly played ugly football but we were able to look past it somewhat due to Rom banging in the goals left right and centre.

 

[bignev23]

We had one half decent season between the pair of them neither deserve to be vilified or castigated and it's not worth my time arguing the toss over who was the betterer cos both were pretty mediocre overall.

 

[bicycleheader]

I think it is only fair that Red Leicester cheese is beating Koeman, because lets face it Red Leicester cheese is delicious and wouldn't have us in the relegation zone were it to be put in charge

 

[kenada_blue]

Always say, Martinez will have more of a legacy building up the youth team set up.

Bumped Unsworth up. Brought Royal, Ebbrell, Dunc, Jeffers in. Watched them closely, wanted them to play the same as the first team. Wanted a pitch building for them too.

Didn't Koeman knock that on the head?

 

[barneygumble]

Martinez felt privileged to be the manager of Everton Football Club.

Ronald Koeman felt it was his obligation to be manager of Everton Football Club.

That's the difference. Koeman didn't get it. Roberto did.

Ultimately, they both ended disappointingly, and that's what matters.

Koeman, in terms of getting it "All Wrong", is the worst Everton manager we've had since i've been attending, which is 20 years. No Passion. No Creativity. No Backing. No Job.

 

[Tubey]

About even.

Martinez inherited a better side, brought better players in by and large (but which re-inforced a broken philosophy instead of fixing the holes we had) and fell a lot harder and deeper.

Koeman inherited a broken side, bought positionally well to begin with but with the wrong amount of required quality and fell in an incremental way.

I can't split them, which is astonishing as I didn't believe anyone could manage us worse than Martinez. What I will say for Martinez is that his ego only extended to his belief in that his philosophy would work. He never came across as thinking he personally was bigger than the club. That is not a sentence you can say for Koeman.

So two managers of two extremes - we need someone in the middle. Hopefully, after having two of the worst managers in our history back to back, we can get someone who does a decent job.

 

[Thomasc]

WHY DO PEOPLE PRETEND MARTINEZ FIRST SEASON DIDN'T HAPPEN FFS!?

cc:

@ianefc
@Thomasc

However, Martinez had a good season as he took over a good side and added a couple of nice additions. Koeman had to try and rebuild morale, the belief and get rid of the McGeady's, Kone's etc of this world, so before you try point scoring on who bought better or worst, just remember that!

Erm mate?

 

[thirdmantackle]

Roberto will always be associated with Alcaraz and McGeady