Roberto Vs Ronald

[Prevenger17]

*fixed

Kneel.

 

[Moomin]

He still has a better winning rate than your idol throughout his entire career as well as his time at Everton. And Moyes are above them in terms of winning rate at Everton. Face it, both RK and RM failed at this club and both are clueless in some aspects. BBC is laughable by picking 47 games as the calculation of the winning rate because their Everton career did not just last for 47 games except Koeman.

Moyes 173 wins out of 427 PL games = 40.52%
Martinez 43 wins out of 113 PL games = 38.05%
Koeman 19 wins out of 47 PL games = 40.43%

If you include cup games and Europa league games Martinez increases to 39.75% and Koeman decreases to 39.43%

 

[kenada_blue]

No he didn't, he wanted to play a passing game and brought in some of the least technically accomplished players I've ever seen at the club.

Like who?

 

[MikeH72]

I think the point @davek is trying to make and you're reluctant to see is that Moyes has been a walking disaster since he left Everton...
Koeman has failed miserably to bring his stellar playing career into management... and El Bob whilst ultimately failing with Everton after a bright start has sufficiently recovered his mojo and his career is still on an upward trend.

I'm sure Dave will correct me if I've read his posts incorrectly.

He didn't get the Belgian job based on the success of his career, he got it because he was cheap, available, and the Belgian FA, much like the English FA are happy just to qualify for the World Cup.

 

[MikeH72]

Like who?

Like Kone, Alcaraz, Funes Mori, Cleverley, Niasse, Atsu, McGeady and Besic

 

[Prevenger17]

I don't think there can be much dispute, Martinez was a far better Everton manager than Koeman

 

[Florin]

Martinez also had a decent Europa League campaign (save for the Kiev defeat). I remember us stomping Wolfsburg both away and at home, and the feeling of international acknowledgement I thought we'd achieved thereafter. He also managed to get us to a cup semi-final if I recall, so at least there was the hope, even in a season when we were nearing relegation. This season, we've had neither of that, and it doesn't look like we will.

 

[AndyC]

He didn't get the Belgian job based on the success of his career, he got it because he was cheap, available, and the Belgian FA, much like the English FA are happy just to qualify for the World Cup.

How he got the job is largely immaterial to the points being discussed/debated/argued by @hktoffee and @davek - and right now, El Bob in his role with Belgium appears to be more palatable as a manager than our recently departed RoKo or 'knife to a gunfight' Moyes.

Whether Belgium win the World Cup is an interesting topic for another thread in another forum, but suffice to say, if Belgium get at least to the quarterfinal stage, El Bob - should he wish to return to club football - will likely be in receipt of more job offers than either of the other two.

I'm not saying Martinez is a great manager, I'm suggesting that right now, he appears to be the best of the three names being talked about.

 

[hktoffee]

I think the point @davek is trying to make and you're reluctant to see is that Moyes has been a walking disaster since he left Everton...
Koeman has failed miserably to bring his stellar playing career into management... and El Bob whilst ultimately failing with Everton after a bright start has sufficiently recovered his mojo and his career is still on an upward trend.

I'm sure Dave will correct me if I've read his posts incorrectly.

I will wait and see when El Bob leaves Belgium one-day. He is overhyped and it is beyond a ridiculous level. Personally, if a person got an international job I really do not see that has anything to do with his ability at club levels in particular I was talking about Everton former managers. Southgate...Big Sam managing England. Lippi managing China...you can read the long list of unknown past Belgium managers. Upward trend of Martinez’s career for now? Of course because he was sacked by Everton after 2 poor seasons. It is like winning a lottery for getting the Belgian job after showing you are pretty average as a coach. Don’t forget Martinez is 10 years younger than Koeman and Moyes. We can come back in a few years time and see where would he go.

 

[MikeH72]

How he got the job is largely immaterial to the points being discussed/debated/argued by @hktoffee and @davek - and right now, El Bob in his role with Belgium appears to be more palatable as a manager than our recently departed RoKo or 'knife to a gunfight' Moyes.

Whether Belgium win the World Cup is an interesting topic for another thread in another forum, but suffice to say, if Belgium get at least to the quarterfinal stage, El Bob - should he wish to return to club football - will likely be in receipt of more job offers than either of the other two.

I'm not saying Martinez is a great manager, I'm suggesting that right now, he appears to be the best of the three names being talked about.

David Moyes did significantly more for Everton than Martinez did. He took over a shambolic laughing stock of a club and had us competing for European spots every single season. Martinez literally reversed that process.

Koeman was crap in the end like.

 

[davek]

Good to see you whip out the pie charts again

It settles debates pretty quickly I always find.

 

[davek]

Comfortably the best pie chart I've seen so far today.

Wimbledon colours too. I think we all need a blast of SW19 on an autumn day to remind us of summers past.

 

[TraffordBlue]

That game was mental. That was the best attacking display i'd ever seen from an Everton side.

Think you're rewriting history a bit there if i'm honest. I have no idea where you've got that from, and i'd say it was one of the worst defensive displays i've seen in the 25 years spent watching us. 0-2 down after 3 minutes, conceded 3 in 10 minutes at one stage too. A Martinez game if ever there was one.

We were never even in the game. A couple of freak consolations made it seems exciting to the neutral, whereas I was in complete disbelief at what I was watching and not in a positive way.

What exactly about it made it the best attacking display you've ever seen from an Everton side out of interest? Better than the 3-0 hammering we gave Arsenal in his first season? Or games like 7-1 against Sunderland or 6-1 vs SK Brann.

 

[helpimonfire]

This thread just reminds me that the last few years have been awful..Please get better.

 

[davek]

How he got the job is largely immaterial to the points being discussed/debated/argued by @hktoffee and @davek - and right now, El Bob in his role with Belgium appears to be more palatable as a manager than our recently departed RoKo or 'knife to a gunfight' Moyes.

Whether Belgium win the World Cup is an interesting topic for another thread in another forum, but suffice to say, if Belgium get at least to the quarterfinal stage, El Bob - should he wish to return to club football - will likely be in receipt of more job offers than either of the other two.

I'm not saying Martinez is a great manager, I'm suggesting that right now, he appears to be the best of the three names being talked about.

Brown Shoe plc stock is healthy if not high, Koemoyes plc have seen their stock crater.