RM comparison with Mourinho from last night

[Allezfan]

How is my post about us expecting to beat them at Anfield "insane"

You're saying basically that the fact that we thought we would win should matter even if we in fact lost 4-0.

I mean we didn't win, what we thought is irrelivant. It's grasping for psoitives when they aren't any.

If the kopites expected to beat someone who beat them 4-0 we wouldn't praise their manager for raising their expectations (and we went into that game 2 positions behind them so that's debatale in itself), we'd just call them deluded.

Moyes tried that crap, too. That we were only disapointed about losing derbies cos he'd raised the expectations. It's just not true, we're everton we have high expectations cos of all the league titles we've won.

 

[Goat]

I defended him at first after last night, but as others have said, he cocked up with that high line, he takes the praise when we win at OT, out pass Arsenal and destroy teams 4-0, he takes the blame when it goes the other way, he messed up, big time, but I suspect hes clever enough to learn from his mistakes, so im not gonna turn on him, hes still the manager that has got us where we are, hes still making us believe.

Last night hurts, im not gonna make excuses with regards injuries, I mean it was a factor, but only a slight factor, we basically got out fought, out thought and utterly out classed, draw a line and move on to Saturday, with hopefully some new faces in the squad, if we dont add new faces, I suspect my viewpoint on him will change, considering hes spouted about how much money we have to spend.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Martinez is boss. And thats a fact.

 

[Allezfan]

Moyes bottled the semi final against them . Don´t know how anyone can damn Bobby, 3 loses all season . Really get a grip.

Right but again Moyes was awful at derbies. Terrible. We can't use him as a bar. It's almost impossible to be worse at derbies than Moyes was.

Our aim shouldn't be so low as to say, oh well at least this time we only lost pathetically in a derby once a year.

That wasn't good enough, martinez needs to learn from it and do better. Doesn't say anything about his overall quality, but we can't just grin and accept a derby record like that. Despite what the last 11 years might make it seem, we actually expect to compete in derbies.

And we've lost 4 games under martinez, actually.

 

[cjuk87]

You're saying basically that the fact that we thought we would win should matter even if we in fact lost 4-0.

I mean we didn't win, what we thought is irrelivant. It's grasping for psoitives when they aren't any.

If the kopites expected to beat someone who beat them 4-0 we wouldn't praise their manager for raising their expectations (and we went into that game 2 positions behind them so that's debatale in itself), we'd just call them deluded.

Moyes tried that crap, too. That we were only disapointed about losing derbies cos he'd raised the expectations. It's just not true, we're everton we have high expectations cos of all the league titles we've won.

I'm saying that in all my years of supporting Everton, every derby/big 4 game i've said before hand "loss, deffo a loss"

Yet this season every game i've said win.

Moyes never made me believe, not once did we go into a derby having me thinking we'd win. Martinez has, and yes yesterday was a shambles, players weren't fit or good enough, i accept that. But i had belief and it's good to have finally, i believed we'd beat united and chelsea...and we did.

One loss doesn't mean the end of the world, i've watched us get beat 4 0 from Bolton.

 

[bicycleheader]

But look at the posts I was responding too.





I mean that's insane. That's not positive, that's insane.

I have literally not said anything at all bad about Martinez in any of my posts, I haven't criticised his tactics or his team selection or anything, all I've said is that I just disagree with treating a game like that as a secret positive as opposed to a complete disaster we just need to write a line under and learn from.

And just that makes me negative and having an agenda.

So where is the balance if that's too negative?

Sorry fair enough...i was reading a tone to your posts based on me thinking you were anti-martinez from back in the summer. My bad.

I woukdnt say insane to the first one...although funnily enough as a Barça fan I can remember a few times when Mourinho did exactly the opposite and sat in the shadows in the dugout.

I dont think Bobby was being brave...ita just his style. He is on the touchline every game.

 

[kevdotbadger]

Martinez is rubbish! What an embarrassment!

Pssssfff, shut up. Liverpool simply played better than us. They also were clinical and had more luck on the day. Martinez has had prise since day 1 from everyone, and now he loses everyone is moaning? Christ, imagine if we were where Wigan was this time last season. I'd fear for Martinez's life! We lost, we move on.

Was our objectives to get into the CL this season? No, and if you think it was you're crazy. It was to adapt to Martinez's, much better, system and still fight for that European spot. That's exact where we are right now.

 

[davek]

I defended him at first after last night, but as others have said, he cocked up with that high line, he takes the praise when we win at OT, out pass Arsenal and destroy teams 4-0, he takes the blame when it goes the other way, he messed up, big time, but I suspect hes clever enough to learn from his mistakes, so im not gonna turn on him, hes still the manager that has got us where we are, hes still making us believe.

Last night hurts, im not gonna make excuses with regards injuries, I mean it was a factor, but only a slight factor, we basically got out fought, out thought and utterly out classed, draw a line and move on to Saturday, with hopefully some new faces in the squad, if we dont add new faces, I suspect my viewpoint on him will change, considering hes spouted about how much money we have to spend.

The relationship between Martinez and the board needs watching. I dont think he'll do what Moyes did long term: take the big wages, moan a bit about the money but stfu about any real criticism of them. I really dont see Martinez doing that. Maybe this window he'll keep schtum, but if basic promises to recycle cash are reneged on he'll be down the road at the first decent offer.

 

[Sheedy's Third]

Right but again Moyes was awful at derbies. Terrible. We can't use him as a bar. It's almost impossible to be worse at derbies than Moyes was.

Our aim shouldn't be so low as to say, oh well at least this time we only lost pathetically in a derby once a year.

That wasn't good enough, martinez needs to learn from it and do better. Doesn't say anything about his overall quality, but we
can't just grin and accept a derby record like that. Despite what the last 11 years might make it seem, we actually expect to compete in derbies.

And we've lost 4 games under martinez, actually.

3 in the league ,and I wasn´t using Moyes as A bar ,others were . It hurts because it´s them I understand the anger but perspective is needed.

 

[Oviedo37]

He can do one, Moyes wouldn't have let us get so badly hammered. Martinez was a fool last night, his tactics did not work, and he stuck with them and landed us with the worse defeats by them in 32 years.

The other negative for the night was now the rest of the league know how to stuff us, I'm fully expecting 2/3 more of these hammerings this season.

Forza Bobby? Nah you're OK.

Be quiet.

 

[davek]

Be quiet.

 

[Allezfan]

I'm saying that in all my years of supporting Everton, every derby/big 4 game i've said before hand "loss, deffo a loss"

Yet this season every game i've said win.

Moyes never made me believe, not once did we go into a derby having me thinking we'd win. Martinez has, and yes yesterday was a shambles, players weren't fit or good enough, i accept that. But i had belief and it's good to have finally, i believed we'd beat united and chelsea...and we did.

One loss doesn't mean the end of the world, i've watched us get beat 4 0 from Bolton.

The thing is under Joe Royle, I thought we could always beat liverpool.

But the difference is under Joe Royle we did.

Making us believe is great, and I have noticed that there is an optimism and enthusiasm among the fans under Bobby that simply wasn't there under Moeys when his suffocating negativeness had brought us all down. And that's something that is great.

But it counts for nothing if you can't deliver on it. And to me prasing somebody for making you believe he could do something that he actually couldn't is insane.

It's like praising Bill for making us believe for the first time in years that we might spend money this window even if we actually don't.

 

[RFUS]

He's the same age as Moyes was when he came to us. Moyes certainly learned and improved during that decade, and Bobby is clearly already a better and more successful manager than Moyes was then. He will improve too and learn from his mistakes.

That was maybe his second big mistake as an Everton manager (after losing to Fulham in the cup) as our other defeats were the product of bad luck, bad refereeing and stupid, rash mistakes from players. But anyway, he's got to the end of January with a couple of blemishes, contrasted with about ten times as many points of praise.

Bobby, you let us all down badly last night, but you're still ace.

 

[Goat]

The relationship between Martinez and the board needs watching. I dont think he'll do what Moyes did long term: take the big wages, moan a bit about the money but stfu about any real criticism of them. I really dont see Martinez doing that. Maybe this window he'll keep schtum, but if basic promises to recycle cash are reneged on he'll be down the road at the first decent offer.

I disagree Dave, as AF pointed out, he did the same sort of job at Wigan and never once turned on his Chairman, hes not that guy and to be honest its a quality, I would rather he was loyal, I mean hes being loyal to the wrong people, but its a quality and it shouldnt be knocked.

 

[Allezfan]

The relationship between Martinez and the board needs watching. I dont think he'll do what Moyes did long term: take the big wages, moan a bit about the money but stfu about any real criticism of them. I really dont see Martinez doing that. Maybe this window he'll keep schtum, but if basic promises to recycle cash are reneged on he'll be down the road at the first decent offer.

I dunno, when did he ever criticise Whelan and those financial restrications make us look like real?

I think he's loyal, I think he'll stay here even with our joke of a board.

I hope so because I think if he does, he'll win us something.