RM comparison with Mourinho from last night

[cjuk87]

The thing is under Joe Royle, I thought we could always beat liverpool.

But the difference is under Joe Royle we did.

Making us believe is great, and I have noticed that there is an optimism and enthusiasm among the fans under Bobby that simply wasn't there under Moeys when his suffocating negativeness had brought us all down. And that's something that is great.

But it counts for nothing if you can't deliver on it. And to me prasing somebody for making you believe he could do something that he actually couldn't is insane.

It's like praising Bill for making us believe for the first time in years that we might spend money this window even if we actually don't.

Missing the point, we did, we beat chelsea, we beat united. Last night was a team thrown together with injuries and fitness. It happens, i believe we can win every game now, doesn't mean we will, even city/barca lose games ffs. So negative

 

[Allezfan]

He's the same age as Moyes was when he came to us. Moyes certainly learned and improved during that decade, and Bobby is clearly already a better and more successful manager than Moyes was then. He will improve too and learn from his mistakes.

That was maybe his second big mistake as an Everton manager (after losing to Fulham in the cup) as our other defeats were the product of bad luck, bad refereeing and stupid, rash mistakes from players. But anyway, he's got to the end of January with a couple of blemishes, contrasted with about ten times as many points of praise.

Bobby, you let us all down badly last night, but you're still ace.

What this guy said.

 

[Del]

Did Dave Whelan ever promise him the money from transfer sales and a "Few bob" on top?

 

[Smudge1985]

I defended him at first after last night, but as others have said, he cocked up with that high line, he takes the praise when we win at OT, out pass Arsenal and destroy teams 4-0, he takes the blame when it goes the other way, he messed up, big time, but I suspect hes clever enough to learn from his mistakes, so im not gonna turn on him, hes still the manager that has got us where we are, hes still making us believe.

Last night hurts, im not gonna make excuses with regards injuries, I mean it was a factor, but only a slight factor, we basically got out fought, out thought and utterly out classed, draw a line and move on to Saturday, with hopefully some new faces in the squad, if we dont add new faces, I suspect my viewpoint on him will change, considering hes spouted about how much money we have to spend.

I agree. Ive been praising Martinez all season for his tactics and his subs, so will give criticism where its due too. Any question of playing half fit players is not really for us to know, sometimes its a gamble worth taking. But I think our biggest problem last night was playing too many players who werent fit. Barkley justified his selection despite his lack of fitness. Pienaar, Alcaraz and Jagielka didnt. I think Marrinez' biggest mistake last night however was the sub when Lukaku went off. Bringing on Naismith was absolute suicide. I know we're low on options, but even with what we had, surely we had to bring on McGeady and push Mirallas up front?

Davek makes a good point about this post too with the board. Its definitely still a concern. We made a big profit in the summer on transfers, even after spending a big chunk on McCarthy. McGeady hasnt cost us that much by all accounts, so where's the rest gone? Cant see Martinez putting up with it for as long as Moyes did.

 

[davids]

Anybody remember Arsenal away the season we qualified for CL.It happens once in a while they are on their game,we have an off night, galling it happened against them but,that's football for you.Man u at City Spurs at City them at Spurs........

 

[Khalekan]

He can do one, Moyes wouldn't have let us get so badly hammered.

Puzzled by this remark.

Moyes sent out a weakened team at Anfield two years ago and we were well hammered.

And a few years before that I watched as Arsenal dismantled us 6-1 at Goodison with Moyes stood staring in the headlights on the sidelines.

Not only that, Moyes stood at the Council Ground and watched Citeh hand out a similiar thrashing to his new club a few short months ago.

But in the eyes of the revisonists, Moyes would never let any team of his get "so badly hammered"....

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

In recent years we've been mauled by Arsenal twice and had the derby Gerrard hatrick to deal with too. None have shaken us off course.
Almost every big club has been ripped apart at City this year too.
The scoreline was the consequence of a terrible night- one where Martinez made some mistakes, and where the players made mistakes.
We can sit here and apportion blame- but there's no real point. I am quite certain Roberto sat up all night at his home footy-tv wizard kit and analysed the game down to its tiniest details, and that he's the type of man-manager to address all the faults he finds, including any that he may have made. We move on to Villa now- hoping to see some players back, and more McGeady and Traore. We'll move on.

 

[Khalekan]

Anybody remember Arsenal away the season we qualified for CL.It happens once in a while they are on their game,we have an off night, galling it happened against them but,that's football for you.Man u at City Spurs at City them at Spurs........

Yes, we have to find our crumbs of comfort.

Less the two years after the Glen Keeley derby we had won the F.A. Cup and the great mid 80s adventure was underway.

It happens....get over it.

Bring on Villa.

 

[hktoffee]

To be fair, Moyes always bent over to teams like RS, Man Utd...Arsenal when he was the manager. We probably won't lose 4 goals yesterday if he is still here we probably lose 2 goals with 2 shots on target. However, we also won't win away at Man Utd. Martinez done that in one go.

I don't think people would complain about the team once they saw the lineup. Surely, the manager will learn from the mistakes (the highline etc).

 

[Allezfan]

Yeah, move onto Villa.

That's the real test, we need to find a reaction and not let this knock us into a slump. New bodies wouldn't half help with that, like.

We blow villa away, like we can, and Martinez has more than earned his coin. Just can't let this begin a run of bad form.

 

[neil999]

this high line thing...is this something we normally do? i cant really remember what we do in other matches, just wondering what people think the reasoning for it was?

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

this high line thing...is this something we normally do? i cant really remember what we do in other matches, just wondering what people think the reasoning for it was?

The problem is that the players were scared to use the high line offensively once the wind was blown out their sales (and understandably so)
From about the 60th minute Young Stones was too traumatized- most of his passes were sideways or backwards and he stopped moving into advanced positions, allowing options vs Cissokho as he had done nicely at the start of the 2nd half.
Mind you it was those same movements that opened space for them to score with our slow-mo CB combo.
So I don't know. I'm not the manager. But just an observation.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Lads, let's just move on.

Also our defenders had a bad night, which wasn't exactly his fault (his fault = the high line, other than that it wasn't bad).

Stats show we controlled some of it and at the other times it was even and if we had a decent striker - could've won it. An unfit team played against two of the best forwards in Europe, based on form, and to no surprise - lost out. It wasn't to do as much with him that we had a lot of injuries and a CB playing at RB.

We had shots and chances, just no luck and got beaten by the long ball and mistakes. Move on.

Re: Martinez - he'll improve. He's obviously someone with better football knowledge than us and knows what he's doing. It doesn't always work out, for any manager, ever. I remember Alcorcon beat Real Madrid 4:0 a few years ago, bad results happen. Unlucky it was against the RS, but that's just us being us and them being the snidey bastards they are.

Also lol at "Moyes would've stopped at 1:0 and played for our dignity". Yeah, loved us losing every game that turned out like that. It was like that even when we score - 1:0 up and defending with 11 men = amazing football. Also we lost nearly every game that turned out like that, just saying.

 

[davids]

Yes, we have to find our crumbs of comfort.

Less the two years after the Glen Keeley derby we had won the F.A. Cup and the great mid 80s adventure was underway.

It happens....get over it.

Bring on Villa.

That 5-0 at Goodison took some getting over. even Kendall got it wrong now and again.That time it was down to playing the offside game.Rush just wasn't interested

 

[Christiffa25]

That easy. And i suppose in future we won't have Distin and Coleman back either? and every game Jags will pass it to them to score?

Don't buy this whatsoever! We had a slow as hell defender in alcaraz playing which didn't help to start with and also as he does occasionaly Roberto decided playing a high line was the way to go in this game. Both back fired and we got stung. He hasn't so far and no doubt won't always get it wrong setting up wrong.