RM comparison with Mourinho from last night

[Baines' left foot]

Martinez is like a sponge. He'll take all this in, compute it and use it to best effect for our benefit in the future.

With that ginger tool you could have no faith whatsoever he'd be able to do that. He'd just continue to put his hand in the fire after getting it burned once.


Thank you for your work Roberto. A fantastic achievement with the resources allowed.

He's a level above Moyes tactically, without a shadow of doubt. He's also used what limited resources we have to create a much better squad, rather than playing the same 11 totally knackered players week in/week out.

 

[Allezfan]

4 wins in in 11 years was appalling. I said it before Moyes left, finishing higher than 5th or 6th with everton is going to be very hard but beating liverpool more often, isn't. Any vaguely competant manager, and martinez is one, should improve us on that score.

Martinez record right now is 0 wins in 1 year like, so he's not off to the best start. 7 goals and a missed penalty conceded in two games isn't brilliant either. We just can't allow it to become a self fulfilling prophecy like it did under Moyes. Martinez doesn't seem the type to let it get under his skin and start it effecting the players, which I suppose is the good news.

Still I'd hoped he could come in and break the derby hoodoo from the start and that hasn't happened.

 

[davek]

He's a level above Moyes tactically, without a shadow of doubt. He's also used what limited resources we have to create a much better squad, rather than playing the same 11 totally knackered players week in/week out.

Difference there last night: I think Moyes would have set up with players like Naismith and Osman and Hibbert given the touch and go nature of our injured. Martinez recognized the importance of the occasion and said 'nah, let's get the lads out there, go toe to toe, and give this our best shot...we get beat by one we may as well get beat by more'. Now people will sl@g him off today because of the scoreline, and it is painful today...but that attitude he has will get us more points than the Moyes 'hide behind the couch', ''play it safe' nonsense in the long run.

 

[babyhayley]

He can do one, Moyes wouldn't have let us get so badly hammered. Martinez was a fool last night, his tactics did not work, and he stuck with them and landed us with the worse defeats by them in 32 years.

The other negative for the night was now the rest of the league know how to stuff us, I'm fully expecting 2/3 more of these hammerings this season.

Forza Bobby? Nah you're OK.

Moyes wouldn't let us gets us hammered so badly. Seriously? 7-0 loss against Arsenal. 6-1 at home to Arsenal. 5-0 at Benfica. 4-0 at home to Bolton. Need I go on? I know we're all upset about last night, but some perspective please!

 

[bicycleheader]

Difference there last night: I think Moyes would have set up with players like Naismith and Osman and Hibbert given the touch and go nature of our injured. Martinez recognized the importance of the occasion and said 'nah, let's get the lads out there, go toe to toe, and give this our best shot...we get beat by one we may as well get beat by more'. Now people will sl@g him off today because of the scoreline, and it is painful today...but that attitude he has will get us more points than the Moyes 'hide behind the couch', ''play it safe' nonsense in the long run.

good man Davek...bit of positivity!

Now if you could only quit the negative spamming on matchdays where you are basically just ramming home the same point with slightly different wording...

 

[Brennan]

A lot of nonsense is spoken about managers and tactics -it's players that win and lose games.

They simply didn't turn up, or weren't fully fit or whatever.

That was only the 3rd defeat of the season, and I think it speaks volumes that we're disappointed (aside from the fact that it was THEM). We're not doing too badly, hopefully the (understandable) post-derby kneejerk will pass quickly and we can move on. Didn't we suffer a 5-0 defeat under Howard in the '80's? This may spur us on for the race for 4th.

Have to disagree about the players losing us the game, Martinez dropped a major bollock last night, and admitted as much In the post match interview. He should have spotted that our high line was absurd after the second goal, but he didn't change it.

 

[Smudge1985]

He's a level above Moyes tactically, without a shadow of doubt. He's also used what limited resources we have to create a much better squad, rather than playing the same 11 totally knackered players week in/week out.

Agree with this. You at least get the impression that Martinez will learn from what happened last night and make changes. Moyes was obscenely stubborn in both his tactics and his team selection. We have already seen several times this season where Martinez has made a sub or a tactical switch that nobody really expected and it worked to perfection. Oviedo on when Osman got injured at West Ham for example when everybody was clamouring for Deulofeu. Switching Barry to left back and going for it when Baines got injured against Liverpool. Taking off a striker and leaving Mirallas up as an outlet late on against Chelsea. Massive departure from Moyes 'if we're losing, throw on a striker, if we're winning or drawing, throw on a defender' mantra.

You can guarantee that, I think. The first step to winning is believing you can do it. I just wonder now how we won two or three of these games under Moyes he was such a coward.

Even the 3-0 there was an element of fortune. Bit like they scored at the right times last night to absolutely kill us, we did the same in the 3-0. The first half that day was fairly even if I remember rightly, just we got 2 goals at the right times to knock them back.

One things for certain, I dont ever remember us playing them off the park under Moyes, like we did at Goodison this season. The 1-0 when Carsley scored was probably the nearest, we battered them that day, could have been well ahead first half , but then we were always a bit of a 1-0 team then, never had many goals in us.

 

[technojoe]

Difference there last night: I think Moyes would have set up with players like Naismith and Osman and Hibbert given the touch and go nature of our injured. Martinez recognized the importance of the occasion and said 'nah, let's get the lads out there, go toe to toe, and give this our best shot...we get beat by one we may as well get beat by more'. Now people will sl@g him off today because of the scoreline, and it is painful today...but that attitude he has will get us more points than the Moyes 'hide behind the couch', ''play it safe' nonsense in the long run.

+1 huzzah!

 

[yelyah]

Moyes wouldn't have bent over like that for them. He would have sat back after we went one down. Kept a bit of dignity.

I'm no Moyes fan either, hated him for years.

Moyes bent over when Gerrard got the hat-trick at Anfield..

 

[sageyefc]

Moyes bent over when Gerrard got the hat-trick at Anfield..

This^

At least we kept plugging away last night, trying to play our game we just didnt have anything in the tank, and lost to mistakes and one of the best set of strikers in the league.

The gerard derby we just turned up and dropped trousers and bent over straight away, that game was more embarrasing

 

[Allezfan]

This^

At least we kept plugging away last night, trying to play our game we just didnt have anything in the tank, and lost to mistakes and one of the best set of strikers in the league.

The gerard derby we just turned up and dropped trousers and bent over straight away, that game was more embarrasing

Lets be blunt though, lads. Neither is acceptable.

Being slightly better in derbies than David Moyes is like being a slightly better son than Oedipus.

 

[Sheedy's Third]

Sorry mate, hard to stomach?

Worse defeat in 32 years by them - true
Martinez was tactically wrong - true
The blueprint to beating us was created - most likely yes
Forza Bobby - No thanks

3 points and pride lost . The season is still not over and we can still finish above them and have the last laugh. Pull yourself together man.

 

[bicycleheader]

Lets be blunt though, lads. Neither is acceptable.

Being slightly better in derbies than David Moyes is like being a slightly better son than Oedipus.

Arent you the poster who wanted Big Dunc as manager? Sorry if I am wrong but a lot of your posts today are very critical of Bobby with the barest of praise to try offer some balance...

 

[Allezfan]

Arent you the poster who wanted Big Dunc as manager? Sorry if I am wrong but a lot of your posts today are very critical of Bobby with the barest of praise to try offer some balance...

We lost a derby 4-0, mate. If there's ever a point in a season were you are going to be critical, it's then.

 

[bicycleheader]

We lost a derby 4-0, mate. If there's ever a point in a season were you are going to be critical, it's then.

doesnt seem to be a yes or no there...so ill assume its a yes.

its ok to be critical but ive noticed some posters who didnt want the manager in the first place are on today directly having a go at the boss almost exclusively. curious...