REALISTIC EXPECTANCIES FOR THE SEASON UNDER MARTNEZ

[micknick]

Small clubs do. Spurs, RS, Chelsea don't. We shall not tolerate this. Top 7 is minimum requirement.

You sure about that??!

 

[Ihaters]

I will certainly breathe a sigh of relief when we reach 45 points that's for sure

Would it help if I pointed out Martinez has already said he won't be changing things too much?

"I think the style will be similar to what Everton's has been over the last few seasons. Then on top of that we need to try to develop other ways of playing."

We'll be nowhere near relegation gents.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Transitional period, as long as we're above 18th - I'll be happy.

You're on your own there. That's like saying United fans should be happy with midtable this season.

He's taking over a top 6 side & he needs to improve on it to be seen as a success to me. If he keeps us at the same level, it'll be a decent result, but if we drop back considerably it'll be nothing short of a massive fail imo.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

You're on your own there. That's like saying United fans should be happy with midtable this season.

He's taking over a top 6 side & he needs to improve on it to be seen as a success to me. If he keeps us at the same level, it'll be a decent result, but if we drop back considerably it'll be nothing short of a massive fail imo.

I'll lay off him in his first seaosn provided we don't go down

I'll hold him to those standards you've given once he's got a season under his belt

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I'll lay off him in his first seaosn provided we don't go down

I'll hold him to those standards you've given once he's got a season under his belt

That's a low bar you're setting there, merely staying up should never be a goal for us given where we've been for the last number of years & the squad we've developed. I don't think he should be given a 'free season' to basically **** it up & we should find that acceptable.

 

[Royal-Blue-Mersey]

I'll lay off him in his first seaosn provided we don't go down

I'll hold him to those standards you've given once he's got a season under his belt

Go down? What you on about? As if.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

That's a low bar you're setting there, merely staying up should never be a goal for us given where we've been for the last number of years & the squad we've developed. I don't think he should be given a 'free season' to basically **** it up & we should find that acceptable.

The man's just taken a side down and been in a number of relegation fighst prior to that. There's no guarantee he's up to managing a club with our expectations.

I think the people who are so cock sure about relegation not being a possibilty need to not get over confident

I think a lot of things would have to go wrong all at once for it to happen, but I'm not ruling it out

If we were 10th, I'd consider that a reasonable first season for him

If we're 15th, I'll be unhappy but I wont be calling for his head

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The man's just taken a side down and been in a number of relegation fighst prior to that. There's no guarantee he's up to managing a club with our expectations.

I think the people who are so cock sure about relegation not being a possibilty need to not get over confident

I think a lot of things would have to go wrong all at once for it to happen, but I'm not ruling it out

If we were 10th, I'd consider that a reasonable first season for him

I'd consider it, as going backwards mate.

There is no guarantee that he's the right man, or that he's up to the task, but if we're anywhere near the relegation places this season, then I hope Kenwright shoots him, as that would equate to abject failure.

 

[orchard]

I'd consider it, as going backwards mate.

There is no guarantee that he's the right man, or that he's up to the task, but if we're anywhere near the relegation places this season, then I hope Kenwright shoots him, as that would equate to abject failure.

You're quite right, but don't underestimate the work Martinez needs to do here. The previous manager's cherry picked from our staff, maybe unsettled others, and most of us have no idea how the ageing players he inherited are going to react to the change of manager yet. That's without factoring in how well BK and his crew are going to back him.

 

[Phenom]

You sure about that??!

I think you have well and truly pulled his pants down there.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You're quite right, but don't underestimate the work Martinez needs to do here. The previous manager's cherry picked from our staff, maybe unsettled others, and most of us have no idea how the ageing players he inherited are going to react to the change of manager yet. That's without factoring in how well BK and his crew are going to back him.

The players reaction to him is up to him to manage. He seems to have a manner about him that his previous players liked, so I doubt he'll struggle on that score. I'm sure he'll want to make changes to the backroom anyway, all managers do.
I'm not saying his job is easy though, far from it. I fully expect to see us fall short of where we have been this season, as I'm totally unconvinced by Martinez.

 

[ijjysmith]

I currently have no expectations really.

Just see what happens.

 

[orchard]

The players reaction to him is up to him to manage. He seems to have a manner about him that his previous players liked, so I doubt he'll struggle on that score. I'm sure he'll want to make changes to the backroom anyway, all managers do.
I'm not saying his job is easy though, far from it. I fully expect to see us fall short of where we have been this season, as I'm totally unconvinced by Martinez.

He hasn't had an opportunity to convince us though yet mate, and it's not that he Wants to make staff changes, he now HAS to make changes.
I just don't think some people see the difference between US replacing a good manager that's left, and, for example, Chelski replacing an underperforming manager

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

He hasn't had an opportunity to convince us though yet mate, and it's not that he Wants to make staff changes, he now HAS to make changes.
I just don't think some people see the difference between US replacing a good manager that's left, and, for example, Chelski replacing an underperforming manager

Yeah I agree. Don't get me wrong I won't get on his back, he'll need time to adapt & he'll no doubt make mistakes in the process. I'll forgive him a slightly lower league position, if we look like we're genuinely improving our overall game. I hope he makes a mockery of my misgivings about him tbh, as he comes across as a really nice fella - but part of me, thinks this also might be his weak point.

 

[davek]

You're quite right, but don't underestimate the work Martinez needs to do here. The previous manager's cherry picked from our staff, maybe unsettled others, and most of us have no idea how the ageing players he inherited are going to react to the change of manager yet. That's without factoring in how well BK and his crew are going to back him.

Spot on mate. People calling for top 6 appear to be ignoring all that.

If he gets us comfortably top half it'd be a result. If we fall just outside the top half (11th/12th) it'd be cause for grumbling. Only if we finish below there would I be seriously concerned.

We'd also have to factor in cup performances too. The perception of a good/poor season can be set by how far we go in them.