if the manager who just landed "the biggest job in world football " could not push Everton on to where we want to be in 11 years anybody else should in all fairness be given at least 3 years to achieve more than what his predecessor could in 11 -
it is so obvious that the supporters who were the most tolerant towards Moyes being consistantly average are now are now the most intolerant towards Martinez -
I wonder how many seasons they are going to give Moyes to push Man United on ?
I would consder myself to be one of the most tolerent of
Moyes.. but then I wouldn't consider being around 6th consistently as being average under the circumstance, I also wouldn't consder myself intolerent of Martinez. However I am amused by the hypocrisy coming from some of the anti
Moyes/Pro Martinez posters.
From what I read on here from some, Moyes was awful, ruined strikers, played only his favourites, no plan B, tactically inept, even poor at transfers, dour, negative, incapable of lifting his squad, poor against big teams, poor against little teams, no attacking capability, lost the dressing room, not a good motivator, not good in the press, doesn't play the youth, or the reserves, is abrasive, arrogant, plays for the draw and is quite frankly a terrible manager... these are things that have been said about Moyes in the last month or so amongst many, many others... I've defended Moyes against these.
I've defendied him because I dissagree with the above, I think Moyes was a very good manager which is why I think we will go backwards, Martinez's job is going to be to not go backwards very far, then improve our entertainment value.
Many of those posting items to add to the list of Moyes negatives however, seem to think that despite replacing a manager that was terrible at literally every aspect of management, its acceptable that the new guy does worse.
You say we've accepted mediocrity in one breath, but then its okay for Martinez to be worse than that despite the myriad of ways to improve us that are availble (in your opinion), and despite Martinez saying he will not be making sweeping changes to the way we do things.
Surely if Moyes was that bad, Martinez should do better?
I think He will find it hard to do so, not because he's not very good, but because posters are wrong about how bad Moyes was and the size of the job facing Martinez.
If I agreed you were right and Moyes was useless when we finished 6th, I would be demanding 4th as a minimum from any manager that's better than poor. Can't understand why your not, seems a bit hypocritcal to me.
Moyes is poor, Martinez is not, therefore Martinez should do worse than Moyes? Doesn't make sense.
If Moyes is a poor manager, an average one doing a similar job should do better. If however Moyes is actually a good manager, it'll take another good manager to get even close to the same level.
This is where I think we are. Good manager replacing a good manager. That is why I think Matinez should be alllowed time and leeway to drop down the league a little, not because he's changing everything as he has already said he won't be, but because the job he's taken over is very difficult to maintain.
