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Ihaters
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Moyes has had a net spend of around 14th combined wages, transfers if I recall correctly. Artetafan who is a non Moyes fan bought that to light.
Now the reason we have the wages we do.. about 9th I think in the league http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2013/apr/18/premier-league-club-accounts-debt is because of Moyes ability to climb the table, buy well, sell well and bring in the money to cover the wages costs. He certainly didn't have that level of wage available for players when he started did he?
You lot need to stick to opinions.. The facts do you no favours... well unless you pull out the old silverware count one.
Oh come on. Really?
So if we finish 11 points clear of a team that spends £5m less on wages than us then Moyes is only really achieving what he should be.
Moyes' Everton finished 10-15 points clear of every team with a similar budget every year.
The only teams he didn't had wages of £80m-£150m (apart from Tottenham in the last 3-4 yers who only spent an extra £30m a year) more than him every year.
Ihaters
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So do we agree at least that the op is wrong, and that no one should be blamed for Moyes transfer policies, and that waiting as long as necessary to sell who we are selling, and then getting the right man should be commended ?
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So in your eyes, Ferguson is prepared to destroy the empire he has built over the last 26 years at Old Trafford to give 'his mate' the job?? Regardless of what Moyes did right or wrong at Everton, he would not be sitting as manager of one the worlds biggest teams if he was a poor coach, thats a fact. There is too much at stake to give a job to a mate.
The Hairy Splinter
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Tubey wrote >>>>> If you really believe Moyes was a tactical genius I can't help you. Being a human with a pair of eyes, I beg to differ, but each to their own.
Where did I say Moyes was a tactical genius? Nowhere. So, I don't need your help. What I will say, though, is that Alex Ferguson clearly doesn't share your view about Moyes's tactical acumen. I know whose opinion I would rather trust.
Where did I say Moyes was a tactical genius? Nowhere. So, I don't need your help. What I will say, though, is that Alex Ferguson clearly doesn't share your view about Moyes's tactical acumen. I know whose opinion I would rather trust.
njligernj
Player Valuation: £15m
Nah ... if he wins the league people will just say "well anyone can win spending all that money and the team they have."
... just like how people said he would never, under any circumstances, never ever nerver, be considered for a job like Man U ... and then when he got it ... well it was because Fergie is his mate.
We'll be debating Moyes while Martinez is in an open top bus riding up Gwladys with the Champions League trophy.
Oh I don't blame Moyes for transfer policy at all. I think the man is a complete genius when it comes to spotting a talent. All I'm saying is that he was tactically woeful and bottled it in the big games all the time.
I don't irrationally hate Moyes, it's just that unlike his loyal fans I'm able to point out his flaws instead of thinking he's the "Moyesiah", whatever that means.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying he's done an "Ali Daeia" or however it was spelt here. I'm saying that the fact Moyes was a mate of Fergusons and "in the same mould" was a big factor in Ferguson basically appointing him to carry on the legacy.
He wasn't appointed because he was specifically proven in terms of tactical ability or man management - he was appointed because of who he is overall as a man. And part of that make-up was how compatible he was to SAF.
Complete and utter nonsense. If Moyes wins the league, he proves me wrong, because you have to do it consistently over 38 games and do it when the pressure is on. Simple as.
You're being flippant and unreasonable and misconstruing my position.
Everyone who weighs in one way or the other on this is foolish, lets wait til a Martinez signing actually kicks a ball before we start the comparison
I can say right now with a fair degree of confidence that Moyes is the better manager in the transfer market. If Moyes was the manager of Wigan, they'd still be a Premier League club right now, of that I have little doubt.
However, I think Martinez will be the better overall manager for Everton, because he's at a bigger club and every instinct I have suggests to me that Martinez will do better with a bigger club. I believe Moyes is the opposite; I think he'll never take a club down, but he is not a winner by nature.
I wouldn't say people are foolish for having an opinion; I'd say they're talking about something on an internet forum. What else are we supposed to do on here!
Yeah that matches my instincts.
We'll see how Martinez does at Everton but I strongly suspect Moyes' Wigan would still be in the league but wouldn't have won a cup.
Moyes is better at not losing but Martinez is the winner.
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