Moyes admits desire to manage in Germany

[nigelcoyb]

Pretty much all of that is simply incorrect, bar the bolded part.

Sorry, I thought Benitez said we were a small club just like the lad I was quoting if he said otherwise can you source it please?

Also can you tell me what additional money the board gave Moyes for Jely, Kev and Gibbo beyond incoming transfers please? I'd like to send them a xmas card in thanks.

If you can't you need to go back to school and work out the meaning of "incorrect", using words you don't understand is "bellend" territory, I feel sure you just made a mistake - didn't you?

 

[nigelcoyb]

wtf has 'expectation' got to do with anything tangible?

If I 'expect' that we should be winning the league, does that make it any more likely to happen?

It's cliched bollocks.

Moyes is limited by the funds as his disposal, those funds are controlled by the board not Moyes.

You hate this doncha?

The fact the previous administration was fcked off because fans of that generation expected more either you don't know about or prefer to ignore.

Expectation is the gauge of accountability, answer this: would you be happy with relegation?

Blackpool fans used phrases like "great while it lasted" and the manager kept his job. Do you think you'd be saying the same about us? and if not why?

See if you can answer without a word or phrase similar to "expectation"

 

[paulbefc]

Sorry, I thought Benitez said we were a small club just like the lad I was quoting if he said otherwise can you source it please?

Also can you tell me what additional money the board gave Moyes for Jely, Kev and Gibbo beyond incoming transfers please? I'd like to send them a xmas card in thanks.

If you can't you need to go back to school and work out the meaning of "incorrect", using words you don't understand is "bellend" territory, I feel sure you just made a mistake - didn't you?

*sigh* right, don't know why I'm bothering, but:

You said that agreeing with Benitez is symptomatic of holding that lid's pro-Moyes viewpoint. That's incorrect. Benitez ignorantly referred to us as a small club. We're a big club, 4th biggest in the land. However, we went there and got outplayed by the better team and got away with a 0-0, cue Benitez fume and misguided comments. What that game demonstrated is that we weren't the fourth best squad in the league. He decided to have a go at the whole club though, because he's a fat spanish beaut.

The answer to "what the [Poor language removed] was he doing before" is: building a side capable of challenging for Europe and the top four. Finishing in the top 6 three times in four seasons. They were exciting teams too, just the top four/trophy was a stretch too far. Then the board failed to invest = stagnation. A few million would have done, this is Moyes we're talking about. But no.

I'm talking about your over-riding points, not every single statement in the comment ffs.

I also think that anyone who doesn't lower their expectations when the club goes from playing in Europe every year and winning leagues/cup winners cups etc to avoiding relegation by the odd goal under Walker/Smith/Kendall is a tad unrealistic.

Anyone who also doesn't think that going from avoiding relegation by the odd goal to achieving 4th, 5th and 6th place finishes along with a cup final and European runs constitutes "raising expectations" should be questioned similarly.

I'm still in education, you'll be glad to hear, chief. Obviously they're doing a shoddy job, like. Hopefully by the end of my degree I'll be able to have a reasonable debate like yourself and call other people "bellend" with the same striking gusto. Lol.

 

[nigelcoyb]

*sigh* right, don't know why I'm bothering, but:

You said that agreeing with Benitez is symptomatic of holding that lid's pro-Moyes viewpoint. That's incorrect. Benitez ignorantly referred to us as a small club. We're a big club, 4th biggest in the land. However, we went there and got outplayed by the better team and got away with a 0-0, cue Benitez fume and misguided comments. What that game demonstrated is that we weren't the fourth best squad in the league. He decided to have a go at the whole club though, because he's a fat spanish beaut.

The answer to "what the [Poor language removed] was he doing before" is: building a side capable of challenging for Europe and the top four. Finishing in the top 6 three times in four seasons. They were exciting teams too, just the top four/trophy was a stretch too far. Then the board failed to invest = stagnation. A few million would have done, this is Moyes we're talking about. But no.

I'm talking about your over-riding points, not every single statement in the comment ffs.

I also think that anyone who doesn't lower their expectations when the club goes from playing in Europe every year and winning leagues/cup winners cups etc to avoiding relegation by the odd goal under Walker/Smith/Kendall is a tad unrealistic.

Anyone who also doesn't think that going from avoiding relegation by the odd goal to achieving 4th, 5th and 6th place finishes along with a cup final and European runs constitutes "raising expectations" should be questioned similarly.

I'm still in education, you'll be glad to hear, chief. Obviously they're doing a shoddy job, like. Hopefully by the end of my degree I'll be able to have a reasonable debate like yourself and call other people "bellend" with the same striking gusto. Lol.

Right, my take on this is: I was correct about Benitez claim and Moyes didn't get additional funds for Jely, Kev and gibbo.

In an "overriding" way of course.

I thought you'd just made a mistake, wouldn't like you being thought of as a bellend while taking a degree - heaven forfend.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You hate this doncha?

The fact the previous administration was fcked off because fans of that generation expected more either you don't know about or prefer to ignore.

Expectation is the gauge of accountability, answer this: would you be happy with relegation?

Blackpool fans used phrases like "great while it lasted" and the manager kept his job. Do you think you'd be saying the same about us? and if not why?

See if you can answer without a word or phrase similar to "expectation"

Johnson was hounded out because we were ****e & him forcing the sale of players he'd sanctioned the purchase of the previous year, was the root cause.

Blackpool & Everton have fcuk all in common. They made a conscious decision that they'd not spunk their PL bounty on overpaid mercs btw. They chose instead to try & stay up with largely what they had & if they went down their club would be financially capable of holding it's own for years to come.

Of course I wouldn't be happy with relegation for Everton, who would? Does that mean I think we have any divine right to be competing at the top end of the league table & lifting pots on a regular basis?

There's something called "reality" out there mate, where the lack of revenue, a knackered stadium & not being owned by a sugar daddy, mean that in 2012 we're no longer capable of competing financially with a host of clubs, that 25 years ago were on a similar financial footing. However, you may wish to dress up 'expectation' as being some mystical force, it equates to 2/3rds of fcuk all, without a wallet to ulitmately deliver it.

 

[bluebottle]

Right, my take on this is: I was correct about Benitez claim and Moyes didn't get additional funds for Jely, Kev and gibbo.

In an "overriding" way of course.

I thought you'd just made a mistake, wouldn't like you being thought of as a bellend while taking a degree - heaven forfend.

Mate, why are you going after people just because they disagree with you? Doesnt need to happen.

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

I'd want Martinez to replace, if Moyes does leave this summer.

 

[Elong]

IHaters, you're arguing our own point like.

We say Moyes doesn't look like winning a trophy, you then go on to tell us why he hasn't and all the reasons, no money, injuries etc etc.

That's exactly the point isn't it??? He doesn't look like winning a trophy, not 100% due to his own doing mate! When I say we won't win anything under Moyes, I'm not saying anyone else will win anything for us either. It's just a sad state of affairs of where we are, especially under this current board.

 

[paulbefc]

Right, my take on this is: I was correct about Benitez claim and Moyes didn't get additional funds for Jely, Kev and gibbo.

In an "overriding" way of course.

I thought you'd just made a mistake, wouldn't like you being thought of as a bellend while taking a degree - heaven forfend.

Aye. But you've missed a few vital points. What you were wrong about was that, in fact, having Benitez' opinion of Everton is not symptomatic of being pro-Moyes - it is symptomatic of being a tremendous bulb/kopite.

Also "expectation was dumped" is incorrect, in fact expectation rose.

My generation don't have any lower expectations than anyone. People just realise that football is now business and money talks.

Also, for the second time Moyes built very decent squads before this year that you seem to have conveniently forgotten about. The notion that this is the first exciting team in Moyes' ten years is laughable.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Johnson was hounded out because we were ****e & him forcing the sale of players he'd sanctioned the purchase of the previous year, was the root cause.

Blackpool & Everton have fcuk all in common. They made a conscious decision that they'd not spunk their PL bounty on overpaid mercs btw. They chose instead to try & stay up with largely what they had & if they went down their club would be financially capable of holding it's own for years to come.

Of course I wouldn't be happy with relegation for Everton, who would? Does that mean I think we have any divine right to be competing at the top end of the league table & lifting pots on a regular basis?

There's something called "reality" out there mate, where the lack of revenue, a knackered stadium & not being owned by a sugar daddy, mean that in 2012 we're no longer capable of competing financially with a host of clubs, that 25 years ago were on a similar financial footing. However, you may wish to dress up 'expectation' as being some mystical force, it equates to 2/3rds of fcuk all, without a wallet to ulitmately deliver it.

No mystical force mate, it's a gauge for accountability as I've clearly demonstrated.

You tacitly admit it with your ill thought ".....who would?" remark because Blackpool fans didn't kick off as we would, or are you denying Holloway kept his job and Blackpool fans didn't say it was great while it lasted?

Why expectation is different at various clubs are many and varied but to deny ours hasn't dropped over the Moyes years from what they once were is ludicrous. Either you're not old enough to know or you take it as some kind of personal affront - the former is understandable the latter is plain weird ... mate.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Mate, why are you going after people just because they disagree with you? Doesnt need to happen.

Vigorous debate ain't going after people fella .... lighten up

 

[nigelcoyb]

Aye. But you've missed a few vital points. What you were wrong about was that, in fact, having Benitez' opinion of Everton is not symptomatic of being pro-Moyes - it is symptomatic of being a tremendous bulb/kopite.

Also "expectation was dumped" is incorrect, in fact expectation rose.

My generation don't have any lower expectations than anyone. People just realise that football is now business and money talks.

Also, for the second time Moyes built very decent squads before this year that you seem to have conveniently forgotten about. The notion that this is the first exciting team in Moyes' ten years is laughable.

Sorry I missed "vital points" mate, I was just interested in establishing why you thought I was "incorrect" when I wasn't.

Good luck with your studies btw.

 

[ijjysmith]

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2011/03/06/david-moyes-shock-target-for-german-club-hoffenheim-102039-22969251/

 

[Ihaters]

So we should be dissatisfied with where we are and not consider it improvement eh Nigel?
These are the years building up to Moyes era..
Apparently we were very optomistic according to Nigel until Moyes took that away.


Season P W D L GF GA W D L GF GA GD Pts Pos
1992-93 42 7 6 8 26 27 8 2 11 27 28 -2 53 13th
1993-94 42 8 4 9 26 30 4 4 13 16 33 -21 44 17th
1994-95 42 8 9 4 31 23 3 8 10 13 28 -7 50 15th
1995-96 38 10 5 4 35 19 7 5 7 29 25 +20 61 6th
1996-97 38 7 4 8 24 22 3 8 8 20 35 -13 42 15th
1997-98 38 7 5 7 25 27 2 8 9 16 29 -15 40 17th
1998-99 38 6 8 5 22 12 5 2 12 20 35 -7 43 14th
1999-2k 38 7 9 3 36 19 5 5 9 23 28 +12 50 13th
2000-01 38 6 8 5 29 27 5 1 13 16 32 -14 42 16th
2001-02 38 8 4 7 26 23 3 6 10 19 34 -12 43 15th

This is what happened when Moyes err dropped our expectation apparently
2002-03 38 11 5 3 28 19 6 3 10 20 30 -1 59 7th
2003-04 38 8 5 6 27 20 1 7 11 18 37 -12 39 17th
2004-05 38 12 2 5 24 15 6 5 8 21 31 -1 61 4th
2005-06 38 8 4 7 22 22 6 4 9 12 27 -15 50 11th
2006-07 38 11 4 4 33 17 4 9 6 19 19 +16 58 6th
2007-08 38 11 4 4 34 17 8 4 7 21 16 +22 65 5th
2008-09 38 8 6 5 31 20 9 6 4 24 17 +18 63 5th
2009-10 38 11 6 2 35 21 5 7 7 25 28 +11 61 8th
2010-11 38 9 7 3 31 23 4 8 7 20 22 +6 54 7th
2011-12 38 10 3 6 28 15 5 8 6 22 25 +10 56 7th

Weirdly some people see this as improvement... go figure

Now I know its not the 80's... but it hasn't been for a long time... even way back before Moyes.. hell since the 90's even.. perhaps now is a good time to stop living in them and accept that whilst we have a massive history.. we are not the big team we once were.. we are improving though.. Thanks to Moyes.
Now you said that I agreed with Benitez when I said we were not a big club and also said that my expectations were extremely low.. let me just answer that in 2 parts..
1. Bennitez said we were a small club.. we are not, we are medium size club at current with a big history..
2. My expectations are where they should be.. Europe.. hoping for fourth..
Now you obviously wake up at the start of the league different to me because you are a superfan with massive expectations.....
I can only assume you think this is our year, every year.. I put it to you that this being the case.. between me and Benitez and you and the Kopite horde.. its perhaps not me that's the closest match with any of the reds.

 

[Elong]

We're not going to win anything with or without Moyes though are we mate? It's a sad reflection on how modern football is.