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The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
Worse than that, we fall behind in relative terms vis-a-vis our peers (MU MC LFC CFC AFC THFC)
My point is in absolute terms we can move forward . It's an interesting topic, I'll do a full article in the next couple of days.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Not true, I've acknowledged the value of what you are saying, which is he failed to make an impact in the transfer window and we sold John Stones before we bought anyone. Both very valid points.
But have you acknowledged that there maybe reasons for this outside of Moshiri's control that could cause that situation? To get an answer to who was right or wrong will take a timeframe measured in years. We are both looking at a small amount of evidence and choosing to interpret it in different ways, but what I can't understand is how you definitely can say he is this for sure from the details we have currently.
I'm on the fence, it could go one way or another but until we have a sequence that enables us to see a pattern good or bad, I'd rather be a glass half full than a glass half empty person.
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My personal opinion based on what has been said by Moshiri about finance and reading between the lines is that money was there but we failed to sell the club to players and others were being vaued too highly. The comments from yesterday were focussed on the lack of European football as a factor in not attracting players which Moshiri has set as an objective for this seson.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Exactly, if you were a player and you had the chance to choose between Everton or Spurs you are going to pick Spurs. This is bloody Spurs we are on about, not any of the club's who have actually been successful. This is the scale of the problem we face.
This is a bizarre misreading / deliberate misunderstanding of what that exchange was about. Moshiri was giving an example of Koeman's dry, Dutch sense of humour. You're reading a subtext / implication which you think was there, but not every single statement someone makes has an alternative meaning. Also, Moshiri was talking about Koeman's control in terms of picking the players he wants, Koeman's quotes relating to this where when asked about manager involvement in player payments following the Alardyce scandal, and Koeman said...
"I have always kept well away from transfer negotiations and money.
As a coach I will point out the player I want and as soon as the money side comes up with the player, I will leave the room."
This all seems fairly consistent to me, unless you're willfuly trying to misunderstand / spin this issue.
I listened to the interview via @The Esk's excellent link, went to bed, got up, did stuff while the brain did it's - you do your stuff Degsy, leave the thinking to me and I'll let you know what I make of it all later.
Well I did, it has and, as of now, I can't find anything I don't like. Nothing earth shattering, not too much detail true.
The Inference that they've listened to the fans Re the new ground location...we shall see
He didn't seem too pleased with FFP and the 7M limit as it applies to us.
Bill took himself to a dark room after the Chelsea result...he won't be the only one...and other stuff in a similar vein.
No cunning plan for world domination, not one sign of a fluffy white cat on the lap...no need at all for pitchforks and torches.
The guy's a Billionaire, they make deals, it's what they do.
If he has to improve the team and build a new ground to add some sell on value - is that the end of the world? Standing still is not an option.
'But he hasn't done anything'...apart from lashing out 80M over and above the cost of his shares. The fact is we're all a bit too impatient nowadays.
He's been here 8mths
Koeman 4mths
Early Days yet.
Also, for some reason, I'm less inclined to give Keoman as much time as I'm prepared to give Moshiri, but that's just me *shrugs*
Well I did, it has and, as of now, I can't find anything I don't like. Nothing earth shattering, not too much detail true.
The Inference that they've listened to the fans Re the new ground location...we shall see
He didn't seem too pleased with FFP and the 7M limit as it applies to us.
Bill took himself to a dark room after the Chelsea result...he won't be the only one...and other stuff in a similar vein.
No cunning plan for world domination, not one sign of a fluffy white cat on the lap...no need at all for pitchforks and torches.
The guy's a Billionaire, they make deals, it's what they do.
If he has to improve the team and build a new ground to add some sell on value - is that the end of the world? Standing still is not an option.
'But he hasn't done anything'...apart from lashing out 80M over and above the cost of his shares. The fact is we're all a bit too impatient nowadays.
He's been here 8mths
Koeman 4mths
Early Days yet.
Also, for some reason, I'm less inclined to give Keoman as much time as I'm prepared to give Moshiri, but that's just me *shrugs*
Logans run
Player Valuation: £950k
I listened to his interview and what resonated for me was the first part, how he felt after the loss, that was because that's how I feel every time we lose. No football no sports pages, nothing that recalls that dejected feeling.
However, on listening to the full interview I feel that he has a strategy and one that we should allow time to flourish.
Unfortunately, I then carried on to read the forums comments.
The idea that this new shareholder came along with a bucket load of cash to just throw at the problem are ignorant of business. ignorant of the fair play rules, wich are there specifically there to stop the buy the title without having the revenue to finance such deals, which also includes a 7% cap on the wages bill as part of that formula.
The biggest delusion that some have is that we should be looking to buy top class expensive players, well forget that, who would want to come to Everton, what have we got to offer besides a dream.
The overall squad is a very poor one we have five or six players that are good, one of them is 35 years old, a 7million player who most of the " good judges" on here thought rubbish, and who will not be available after Christmas a player who scores all our goals who will probably be gone next season.
At the start of the season, I thought if only we can stay up I thought would be a bonus, how after 11 gamed we are 7th is a mystery to me.
None of the players that were dreamed about Mata and Co were going to come to us, and unless there is a miracle and we reach the top four they will not come next year.
Such is lack of ability in our squad maybe ten or more will have to go, to rebuild Everton from the depths we are in will take three more seasons, the trouble is the clubs we want to replace will all move onwards, Spurs new stadium, Chelsea Man U shirt deals amounting to £2 BILLION between them.
I want to get to 42 points after that point lets try players like Kenny, Holgate Browning Davies a run in the team some of us think they are good but only playing will confirm if they are prospects. For me, a top ten finish would be good for the players we have on offer.
Walsh is credited with the rise of Leicester he must find those similar value player for Everton, if not we will continue to struggle, I do not expect much in January two or three maybe, but next two summers have to be right.
However, on listening to the full interview I feel that he has a strategy and one that we should allow time to flourish.
Unfortunately, I then carried on to read the forums comments.
The idea that this new shareholder came along with a bucket load of cash to just throw at the problem are ignorant of business. ignorant of the fair play rules, wich are there specifically there to stop the buy the title without having the revenue to finance such deals, which also includes a 7% cap on the wages bill as part of that formula.
The biggest delusion that some have is that we should be looking to buy top class expensive players, well forget that, who would want to come to Everton, what have we got to offer besides a dream.
The overall squad is a very poor one we have five or six players that are good, one of them is 35 years old, a 7million player who most of the " good judges" on here thought rubbish, and who will not be available after Christmas a player who scores all our goals who will probably be gone next season.
At the start of the season, I thought if only we can stay up I thought would be a bonus, how after 11 gamed we are 7th is a mystery to me.
None of the players that were dreamed about Mata and Co were going to come to us, and unless there is a miracle and we reach the top four they will not come next year.
Such is lack of ability in our squad maybe ten or more will have to go, to rebuild Everton from the depths we are in will take three more seasons, the trouble is the clubs we want to replace will all move onwards, Spurs new stadium, Chelsea Man U shirt deals amounting to £2 BILLION between them.
I want to get to 42 points after that point lets try players like Kenny, Holgate Browning Davies a run in the team some of us think they are good but only playing will confirm if they are prospects. For me, a top ten finish would be good for the players we have on offer.
Walsh is credited with the rise of Leicester he must find those similar value player for Everton, if not we will continue to struggle, I do not expect much in January two or three maybe, but next two summers have to be right.
Blues Harp
Player Valuation: £60m
Like the maximising revenue from all areas....exactly what is needed. For once we may have a shareholder who actually knows what he is doing.
Or did he have the sky girls with him too?lol
squonk
Player Valuation: £8m
good to hear from him at last though the timing was no surprise after Saturday's debacle. also not sure if communicating through JW is the best method of speaking to the fans but its better than nothing at all. I was surprised he went into such detail about transfer targets which didn't materialize, hopefully this doesn't rebound in the next window. plenty of grounds for optimism after listening to that though reading some of this thread you would think he just plunged us into crisis.
I see you're new to Davek.
TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
So the MOSH speaks...and it's positive and...and there's some good stuff said...and...and he even done a little cuss but - what a shocker - some still aren't keen...
Pffff...
Not arsed that it was to Jim...not arsed that it seems highly 'orchestrated' to some...it's SOMETHING and, for the most, it's good, pozzy stuff.
We're just not as big as some of us think we are and it sometimes feels that because we've stood still for so long that some of us are now untrusting of ANY movement at all.
It's a ride, we should get on board and go with it.
An' stuff...
Pffff...
Not arsed that it was to Jim...not arsed that it seems highly 'orchestrated' to some...it's SOMETHING and, for the most, it's good, pozzy stuff.
We're just not as big as some of us think we are and it sometimes feels that because we've stood still for so long that some of us are now untrusting of ANY movement at all.
It's a ride, we should get on board and go with it.
An' stuff...
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
If it had been an Everton released podcast then it would have been scripted for sure, least to a 3rd party broadcaster and being live there is more chance to hear emotional responses and not ones carefully thought through.
Onwards Evertonians
Player Valuation: £8m
Moshiri isn't going to turn us into title contenders overnight, if at all, he's here to stop the rot and turn around decades of mismanagement that was tolerated by large sections of the support bizarrely. If he leaves us with a tidy profit and builds us a huge stadium on the docks and turns us into anything other than also rans, he's done his job and I for one couldn't care less if he walks away with a profit. I believe he'll do that.
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