Moshiri on Jim White show on TalkSport today....

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I listened to the interview only this morning.

I like to look for the human angle - to me Moshiri came across as warm and genuine and as an Everton "fan". I liked that, he sounded like one of us on that level. With Kenwright, I always feel that he rehearses every soundbite first, hardly surprising either with the professional world he inhabits.

There is a tendency to stereotype billionaires as incessantly and universally ruthless and incapable of making wrong decisions - both are incorrect. Interestingly he did mention the word ruthless in connection with Koeman. We do need ruthlessness for the team and for the business. Other than that, being a nice guy helps in most life and business situations.

On the evidence of all I have heard thus far, I would much rather have a pint with Moshiri than Koeman. That's not at all a criticism of the latter it just highlights men with two seemingly very different personalities.

It was great to hear him talk about the new stadium and clearing the debts. I was less impressed by his take on our transfer business, making out we were better off in hindsight not signing Perez and Gabbiadini didn't sound very reassuring.

I was listening to Eric Clapton last night, including his track "Running on Faith". That's where we are at present. Moshiri has given some tasters of his ambition and intention but he will be judged by his delivery on the new stadium and sufficient investment in the squad.

I say give the man a chance, he needn't have bothered straying into this at all and to me we are better off already, even though much of the changes are at this stage cosmetic secondary to the football (but no less important in the long-term). It's better than what went before. Even if in a few years this all ends in frustration and disappointment, I would actually prefer false hope to no hope at all. Bill Kenwright is a specialist in no hope at all.

Welcome to our club, Farhad Moshiri.
 
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Moshiri isn't going to turn us into title contenders overnight, if at all, he's here to stop the rot and turn around decades of mismanagement that was tolerated by large sections of the support bizarrely. If he leaves us with a tidy profit and builds us a huge stadium on the docks and turns us into anything other than also rans, he's done his job and I for one couldn't care less if he walks away with a profit. I believe he'll do that.

...utterly maddening innit that some who sat in the pro-Roberto camp - and as consequence were happy to watch the same mistakes repeat on loop over and over and over - can even be critical of the smallest progression now and find fault in it...yet couldn't find fault at all with the old regime and playing style????

Weird really.

It's not an instant process. Frankly I'm just happy we're en route now...to whatever...;)
 
Moshiri made some reassuring points, regarding stadium, clearing of debt and actually talking about transfer's. The latter not so much as they were bid's that failed however it is something we are not used to. No one is expecting things to change within one season because lets be honest that's just not going to happen. Look at City, took many years and lots of in's and out's before they got to the top. Moshiri seems to have the right idea's but we have to give him and the team time to prove that.
 
Not true, I've acknowledged the value of what you are saying, which is he failed to make an impact in the transfer window and we sold John Stones before we bought anyone. Both very valid points.

But have you acknowledged that there maybe reasons for this outside of Moshiri's control that could cause that situation? To get an answer to who was right or wrong will take a timeframe measured in years. We are both looking at a small amount of evidence and choosing to interpret it in different ways, but what I can't understand is how you definitely can say he is this for sure from the details we have currently.

I'm on the fence, it could go one way or another but until we have a sequence that enables us to see a pattern good or bad, I'd rather be a glass half full than a glass half empty person.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm not calling him a fraud (which seems to be de rigueur for anyone on this forum at the moment) and I'm not giving him a free pass.

I have a default position which is this: if there's nothing happened, there's nothing happened yet. Words dont count. Deeds do.

As an Evertonian that should be understandable to you (not as one of a number of competing points of view, but as the ONLY point of view to take).
 
Take words for what they are, words.

None of us know for sure how true to his word Moshiri will be.

I mean, I found this a bit odd;

Moshiri, September: “Sissoko is a great player. But when I bought into Everton, I made it clear I was proud to join a family. And we don’t turn our backs on our own. Keeping James McCarthy was a priority and ultimately we could not proceed with a deal that would jeopardise his place at Everton. We wish Sissoko the best.”

More so now, after this;

Moshiri, November: "The manager had seven names, and four of those we got," Moshiri added. "He wanted a box-to-box midfielder and we matched Sissoko's asking price and actually paid more, and all the terms were agreed, and just before midnight we realised he had changed his mind.

Until we've invested in the playing squad ("Watch this space..."), until we see a stadium being built (Kings Dock), until we see big corporate deals (fortress fund/NTL money "ring fenced") then I'm going to just shrug at everything he says.

But then, I've always been a cynical git.
 
This is a bizarre misreading / deliberate misunderstanding of what that exchange was about. Moshiri was giving an example of Koeman's dry, Dutch sense of humour. You're reading a subtext / implication which you think was there, but not every single statement someone makes has an alternative meaning. Also, Moshiri was talking about Koeman's control in terms of picking the players he wants, Koeman's quotes relating to this where when asked about manager involvement in player payments following the Alardyce scandal, and Koeman said...

"I have always kept well away from transfer negotiations and money.

As a coach I will point out the player I want and as soon as the money side comes up with the player, I will leave the room."

This all seems fairly consistent to me, unless you're willfuly trying to misunderstand / spin this issue.
Moshiri will have had down all the points he wanted to make in that interview prior to it taking place. He got his message out loudly and clearly on a number of issues and one of those was (via an anecdote) that the manager alone is responsible for selling off players and bringing others in. But that doesn't tally with what we have been told by those with some contact with this current regime that selling off players is required given the lack of wriggle room we have on wages. It's not then about stretching to make a case from a subtext that only I read, it's a simple matter of deduction that the owner of this club wants to distance himself from the harsh reality of our position by shuffling forward the manager as sole arbiter of who comes and goes...the whole situation being brought about because there's little-to-no scope for a better commercial performance from the club outside of a new stadium build.
 
Take words for what they are, words.

None of us know for sure how true to his word Moshiri will be.

I mean, I found this a bit odd;



More so now, after this;



Until we've invested in the playing squad ("Watch this space..."), until we see a stadium being built (Kings Dock), until we see big corporate deals (fortress fund/NTL money "ring fenced") then I'm going to just shrug at everything he says.

But then, I've always been a cynical git.

Sorry, Spoken "Words" have been ringfenced by the club and we will be providing no further coment ...Yours Everton Football Club.
 
Take words for what they are, words.

None of us know for sure how true to his word Moshiri will be.

I mean, I found this a bit odd;



More so now, after this;



Until we've invested in the playing squad ("Watch this space..."), until we see a stadium being built (Kings Dock), until we see big corporate deals (fortress fund/NTL money "ring fenced") then I'm going to just shrug at everything he says.

But then, I've always been a cynical git.

and thats honestly to sensible way to look at it mate, actions speak louder than words and all that
 
Amazing that there are Evertonians out there who want (and demand) this change Moshiri discussed overnight.

It will take time. Quite a bit of time for him to get the club up to where it meets his and the supporters expectations.

Anyone moaning about where we are today needs to be ridiculed and ignored.
 
Moshiri will have had down all the points he wanted to make in that interview prior to it taking place. He got his message out loudly and clearly on a number of issues and one of those was (via an anecdote) that the manager alone is responsible for selling off players and bringing others in. But that doesn't tally with what we have been told by those with some contact with this current regime that selling off players is required given the lack of wriggle room we have on wages. It's not then about stretching to make a case from a subtext that only I read, it's a simple matter of deduction that the owner of this club wants to distance himself from the harsh reality of our position by shuffling forward the manager as sole arbiter of who comes and goes...the whole situation being brought about because there's little-to-no scope for a better commercial performance from the club outside of a new stadium build.


Did he not say that he is trying to address that commercial revenue gap ? I think he understands that needs to improve that along with the stadium and from what i read he sees the stadium as a enabler to boost other revenue streams
 
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