Moshiri on Jim White show on TalkSport today....

[Amw79]

I see you're new to Davek.

Moshiri will have had down all the points he wanted to make in that interview prior to it taking place. He got his message out loudly and clearly on a number of issues and one of those was (via an anecdote) that the manager alone is responsible for selling off players and bringing others in. But that doesn't tally with what we have been told by those with some contact with this current regime that selling off players is required given the lack of wriggle room we have on wages. It's not then about stretching to make a case from a subtext that only I read, it's a simple matter of deduction that the owner of this club wants to distance himself from the harsh reality of our position by shuffling forward the manager as sole arbiter of who comes and goes...the whole situation being brought about because there's little-to-no scope for a better commercial performance from the club outside of a new stadium build.

The bit in bold isn’t deduction, it’s speculation and supposition (you're asserting to know what "the owner of this club wants" on this issue), which is fine. But call it what it is.

Your original comment was about a contradiction between Moshiri saying Koeman has control over transfers (i.e. who is allowed to leave, and who is on the wanted list), and Koeman’s interview a few weeks ago saying he doesn’t get involved, and I was simply pointing out that Koeman’s comments were related specifically to players wage negotiations etc, in an entirely different context. So I saw no contradiction there.

I take the point around our limitations on commercial performance, this has long been the case, although, as the esk pointed out, the shirt sponsorship deal has the potential to give us exactly the wiggle room you’re talking about, outside of the stadium issue, if the board can negotiate better than has been done in previous years. I'll believe that when I see it.

 

[The Esk]

To be fair, we all knew this. The club are lacking in generating revenue vs competitors and the implications that brings.

More interested to know what changes are/will be making to bridge the gap.

I am writing about that currently - just thought I'd put some context out there first

 

[brieverton]

We refer to the likes of Man Utd etc as our "peers".

In reality we are anything but.

We don't even exist as a blot on their radar.

Spurs are probably still seen as the poor relation in London, we must aim to match them at the very least.

The upside is that with such mediocre commercial performance, there is room for significant growth and development from such a low base.

Elstone's continuing presence is baffling.

 

[The Esk]

We refer to the likes of Man Utd etc as our "peers".

In reality we are anything but.

Interesting point which I'm writing about currently.

Financially none of the 6 are our peers any longer, and realistically that financial gap is going to get bigger before it starts to reduce (if ever). However in our eyes on the pitch, and I suspect Koeman and Moshiri's eyes we need to be competing on the pitch among the 6.

There's no point in being the best of the rest, we've done that during the Moyes years, and frankly the competition for best of the rest is hotting up also - we need to be right in the mix of the elite.

So we need to find a way of getting a quart out of a pint pot - Moshiri himself referred yesterday to "there's always ways to compete" - however we absolutely need to improve our revenues - commercial and sponsorship before the stadium is built.

 

[The binman chronicles]

To be fair, we all knew this. The club are lacking in generating revenue vs competitors and the implications that brings.

More interested to know what changes are/will be making to bridge the gap.

This will be selling the dream to the sponsors and kit makers that we are loaded and will be buying top players imminently.

Whether or not that works is another question.

 

[Toast]

Would be better if he just had joined the Pete Price phone-ins

Just seen Price acting in a bbc1 program.
Very odd.
Playing a binman he was in 'moving on'.
Anyway.. Back on topic.

 

[Moomin]

Interesting point which I'm writing about currently.

Financially none of the 6 are our peers any longer, and realistically that financial gap is going to get bigger before it starts to reduce (if ever). However in our eyes on the pitch, and I suspect Koeman and Moshiri's eyes we need to be competing on the pitch among the 6.

There's no point in being the best of the rest, we've done that during the Moyes years, and frankly the competition for best of the rest is hotting up also - we need to be right in the mix of the elite.

So we need to find a way of getting a quart out of a pint pot - Moshiri himself referred yesterday to "there's always ways to compete" - however we absolutely need to improve our revenues - commercial and sponsorship before the stadium is built.

I know someone who did a decent sized commercial deal with a club that has spent quite a few years being a yo yo club in the championship and premier League, they spent quite a while negotiating this deal with said club and it ended up they would get an increase per year plus a higher initial offer.

The same original deal was offered to Everton and they accepted with no negotiations.

 

[The Esk]

I know someone who did a decent sized commercial deal with a club that has spent quite a few years being a yo yo club in the championship and premier League, they spent quite a while negotiating this deal with said club and it ended up they would get an increase per year plus a higher initial offer.

The same original deal was offered to Everton and they accepted with no negotiations.

Why is that not surprising?

 

[jinkyali]

I found him refreshingly honest. Seemed a bit uncomfortable and naive but I liked that .

The reference to Monopoly money made me chuckle; it told me that he is realistic and that even in the mad world of football, there is still room for common sense. For him to dress up a price war as Monopoly money also tells me he is quite astute and won't be pissed about.

I loved the distinction between his role and the rest. He simply hires and fires. As it should be.

I liked that his three priorities were all relevant and tangible items rather than stuff like improve comms. I appreciate we need to improve on the club in all aspects but the three identified areas of concern he addressed and are fundamental going forward.

I also got the sense that Roberto had no chance of keeping his job at all.

Actions speak louder than words but I was suitably impressed and reassured by his comments.

No mention of Steve Walsh which I felt was a little weird . Let's hope he can take us forward.

 

[davek]

Did he not say that he is trying to address that commercial revenue gap ? I think he understands that needs to improve that along with the stadium and from what i read he sees the stadium as a enabler to boost other revenue streams

...pretty much what I've said, tbf. New facility = driver for commercial revenue.

I just feel he someone from his business culture would have had a lot of irons in the fire to boost non-tv/matchday revenue until we get to that point...years away as it is.

 

[Carlito]

I would be far more inclined to give Moshiri the benefit of the doubt if Kenwright and Elstone had been shown the door; but their continued presence/influence makes it impossible to view the 'new' setup with anything other than suspicion.

I'm still hopeful, even if it does just sound like the usual big talk we get when the window is shut. Let's see how visible he is come January.

 

[Pabbers]

If we really can get a spectacular new ground, sponsors will throw themselves at us.

Prime dock side space, driven by sport and events!!!

Your talking massive deals, record breaking in every sense, to us.

 

[krea]

Just finally got around to listening to this. Very interesting stuff. Kinda feels like its new stadium then things will take off for us.

 

[davek]

As said mate, we cant blame him for walking into this situation and finding that situation in place (noticeable though that he didn't immediately bin Elstone for cutting those deals but gave him a promotion instead!).

But here's the thing: he KNEW this coming in, and he also knows that any future deal with sponsors wont significantly shift us up the ladder in relation to the clubs out of sight above us. So what's his move in the years ahead of us to build and play in a new stadium? If the only lateral thinking he has is to rename Goodison Park he better get his thinking cap on again, because that's going to cause a riot.

 

[Shropshire Blue]

I would be far more inclined to give Moshiri the benefit of the doubt if Kenwright and Elstone had been shown the door; but their continued presence/influence makes it impossible to view the 'new' setup with anything other than suspicion.

I'm still hopeful, even if it does just sound like the usual big talk we get when the window is shut. Let's see how visible he is come January.

It's amazing how little so many managers and owners know about business and football compared to the average person on here. They are some lucky so and so''s getting where they are with that level of ignorance.
Makes me frustrated and jealous.