Moshiri on Jim White show on TalkSport today....

[Eggsyblueskin]

So if things start to happen over the next year or two for the better, will we ever see any positivity from posters like yourself or will you continue to plague every thread with the negative alternative view?

I can imagine it now. We could announce a 55,000 Waterfront Stadium and you'd moan that it isn't big enough, or it's too far north.

Do you see anything positive about Everton at the moment?

There is nothing wrong with being sceptical of those in power, in any institution. We should always examine what they say for its veracity. I am optimistic and I was happy with the interview. I'll be happier though when we see something more concrete on and off the pitch. Remember " blind acceptance is a sign, of stupid fools who stand in line"

 

[Jebus_lives]

That's not what I've said. I've said a few times in this thread alone that the difference between the two is that one has credibility where stadium buildings are concerned and the other are a busted flush.

But on the substance of a plan to get us to a built stadium and financially competing - that is completely correct also. Player sales + tv cash without any boost of the commercial arm of the club revenue generating machine until we get a new stadium = status quo for the next few years at least. That was the real story from yesterday's Moshiri interview: the notice served to us all that squad improvement would rely on commercial improvement on the back of a brand new stadium being financially exploited.

That's right actually. Which again contradicts other stuff we read/hear. Is Koeman 'in total control' as Moshiri states, or is Koeman correct saying he leaves the job to others?

Surely anyone that works in any sort of business would see this as a standard model of operation. Moshiri owns the club, he is responsible for appointing people to manage it. Koeman manages the football side, Moshiri leaves him to it...how Koeman manages, be that delegation of tasks and responsibilities doesn't really matter, provided he knows what each person does and they know what is expected of them.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Read @The Esk post here yesterday that went largely uncommented on: he believes the superficial (my descriotion) renovation of the ground is an effiort to generate a near future naming rights deal for Goodison to boost commercial revenue. That act of desperation is a club that's saying they've given up on squeezing out improved shirt/sponsorship deals and are going for a lazy nuclear option that will bring them into conflcit with fans but also promises a few quid to tide us over for a season's worth of transfer windows.

or its one aspect of a much bigger plan...

 

[davek]

conversly hes also said that we are debt free, hes said that he will back the manager with whatever is required and we need to focus on a stadium to compete....there wouldnt be much point in saying all of that if he wasnt intending to follow through (he may as well have said nothing).

Its a bit angry mob at the moment 'hes said absolutely nothing lets grab the pitchforks' ...oh no wait hes come out and told us more about his plans 'hes lying grab the pitchforks'. Ive no reason to doubt him as yet. I dont understand the new messiah stuff but i dont understand the anger at peoples expectations not being met when they are entirely peoples own expectations and not those that have been talked about by Moshiri.

It's not anger it's looking at what was said yesterday and an attempt to pull out of all the mush flying between him and White what was substantial. That to me is this:

Commercial side will improve only with new stadium
Debt (long term securitization) has been paid off
Koeman is in the driving seat on ALL aspects of the club barring coming up with cash to spend

 

[joey_macmo]

I don't see a problem with a short term naming rights deal for goodison. Could even tie it into a new stadium deal to increase exposure

 

[Jacko93]

Read @The Esk post here yesterday that went largely uncommented on: he believes the superficial (my descriotion) renovation of the ground is an effiort to generate a near future naming rights deal for Goodison to boost commercial revenue. That act of desperation is a club that's saying they've given up on squeezing out improved shirt/sponsorship deals and are going for a lazy nuclear option that will bring them into conflcit with fans but also promises a few quid to tide us over for a season's worth of transfer windows.

Or its a club that is trying to increase revenue in order to push the club forwards as quickly as possible. If naming right are to become a thing, maybe, just maybe they are looking at maximising revenue from all areas. People at that level of business can do more than one thing at a time, or at the very least they bring in people who can.

 

[davek]

Quick one as short of time.

Re commercial revenues - Chang disappear in May 2017, Kitbag (Findel) in 2019, Umbro in 2019 also.

I'll do some proper figures overy next couple of days but would expect minimum improvement of +£5 million per annum on shirt sponsor, much more if CL was achieved. Kitbag and Umbro similarly an improvement in excess of £10 million pa.

That plus other sponsorship opportunities plus the STCC increase gives quite a bit of headroom, coupled with some non key disposals.

Point being we don't need to stand still whilst waiting for the stadium.

I'll be back with more detailed thoughts when time permits in the next couple of days.

...then factor into that the likely acceleration of spending power of our rivals over the same period and we stand still at best.

 

[davek]

Like we would have ever bid 60 million for any player let alone a defender under Kenwright!

If you choose to ignore what he has done in a relatively short space of time here then that's up to you. There is nothing wrong with being wary and keeping your feet grounded and saying 'wait lads let's not get carried away with all this he still yet to prove that he is going to invest heavily and still no official announcement on a stadium'. Heaven knows we've been burnt enough in the past to understand that, but the tone of your posts indicate he is a nailed on fraud, and just a front man to deflect all while Kenwright is still the man calling the shots. It is getting close to WUM territory.

He's been here 9 months, of which only 2 have been when you can actually make changes to the squad. How can he be compared against 15 years of tenure that came before him in that amount of time.

If you have proof he is not going to invest his own money please enlighten everyone so we can understand where you are coming from, until then you are just hedging your bets that (like nearly always) it will fall on the negative side of the coin.

That's just nonsense. It's a caricature of my position to avoid acknowledging its value.

 

[TraffordBlue]

conversly hes also said that we are debt free, hes said that he will back the manager with whatever is required and we need to focus on a stadium to compete....there wouldnt be much point in saying all of that if he wasnt intending to follow through (he may as well have said nothing).

Its a bit angry mob at the moment 'hes said absolutely nothing lets grab the pitchforks' ...oh no wait hes come out and told us more about his plans 'hes lying grab the pitchforks'. Ive no reason to doubt him as yet. I dont understand the new messiah stuff but i dont understand the anger at peoples expectations not being met when they are entirely peoples own expectations and not those that have been talked about by Moshiri.

Over the next few years, things will go like this:

The negative posters will whine that there is no proof of anything having been done, and therefore will laud it over the rest of us during that time. E.g no new stadium will have been built and that secures certain posters more time to moan about the club.

When there is an announcement, or something actually starts to get built, they will find an alternative to moan about such as location. If on the waterfront, it will be too far to walk from X, or not big enough, or the design of the stadium isn't to their liking etc. Maybe the new ground will be given a name likes "The Emirates" to generate more money (so a positive for the club), but again that will give them ammunition to moan that we've sold our soul etc.

 

[Jacko93]

Read @The Esk post here yesterday that went largely uncommented on: he believes the superficial (my descriotion) renovation of the ground is an effiort to generate a near future naming rights deal for Goodison to boost commercial revenue. That act of desperation is a club that's saying they've given up on squeezing out improved shirt/sponsorship deals and are going for a lazy nuclear option that will bring them into conflcit with fans but also promises a few quid to tide us over for a season's worth of transfer windows.

Lets just ignore that your using language yourself that is designed to slate Moshiri and the board, based purely on what you have taken from an opinion piece of an unconnected individual.

 

[Jebus_lives]

It's not anger it's looking at what was said yesterday and an attempt to pull out of all the mush flying between him and White what was substantial. That to me is this:

Commercial side will improve only with new stadium
Debt (long term securitization) has been paid off
Koeman is in the driving seat on ALL aspects of the club barring coming up with cash to spend

yes but people arent looking at it objectively are they...they are taking their own hopes and expectations, conversation on here, rumour and murmerings and applying them as fact to what Moshiri has said.

I agree with the summary from yesterday apart from the 'commerical side will only improve with a new stadium' not sure where that was explicitly said.

 

[davek]

Surely anyone that works in any sort of business would see this as a standard model of operation. Moshiri owns the club, he is responsible for appointing people to manage it. Koeman manages the football side, Moshiri leaves him to it...how Koeman manages, be that delegation of tasks and responsibilities doesn't really matter, provided he knows what each person does and they know what is expected of them.

So all future sales are the football only decisions of a manager and have nothing whatsoever to do with clearing out some room for wages to bring in more players...as per the plan of last summer we were all told was in place?

 

[Jacko93]

yes but people arent looking at it objectively are they...they are taking their own hopes and expectations, conversation on here, rumour and murmerings and applying them as fact to what Moshiri has said.

I agree with the summary from yesterday apart from the 'commerical side will only improve with a new stadium' not sure where that was explicitly said.

Quite the opposite was said as he explicitly mentioned the deals that other clubs are doing on shirts deals.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Over the next few years, things will go like this:

The negative posters will whine that there is no proof of anything having been done, and therefore will laud it over the rest of us during that time. E.g no new stadium will have been built and that secures certain posters more time to moan about the club.

When there is an announcement, or something actually starts to get built, they will find an alternative to moan about such as location. If on the waterfront, it will be too far to walk from X, or not big enough, or the design of the stadium isn't to their liking etc. Maybe the new ground will be given a name likes "The Emirates" to generate more money (so a positive for the club), but again that will give them ammunition to moan that we've sold our soul etc.

or which is the classic pessimists argument, when faced with nothing to moan about, they will say 'well i was glad i was wrong...love Everton doing well. COYB'

 

[neil999]

his voice wasnt that bad!