Moshiri on Jim White show on TalkSport today....

[tommye]

...I know that mate, I listened to the same words as you. The underlying message is there though. People like him dont say much without there being a reason behind it. It wasn't a throwaway anecdote, it had a message inside it.

OK mate

 

[Blue_Berry]

The only thing we have right now are words. There is no deeds to point to that would give you cause for being overly optimistic. That, btw, is the position of the owner of this forum in this very thread. Perhaps you can also make plain to him that he's similarly wrong to yet be persuaded this feller has done anything of substance yet?

I don't really disagree with that point Dave - the words do need to be backed up with deeds. I also understand the cynicism here after years of BS. However I find it hard to understand why grown men take pleasure in being the harbinger of all manner of gloom, just to satisfy a 'told you so' moment. Many on here are sceptical, but only a select few turn circumstance and hardwired personal opinion into 'fact' quite like you do!

I would add, if you really don't think this new regime is significantly different from the ineptitude and impoverishment of the long Kenwright / Johnson years, then frankly you are being obstinately blinkered - the big changes may still be to come (and we're all still waiting) but the behind the scenes changes so far under Moshiri are highly significant - if only you allow them to be...

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

He's not getting the chance to be spendthrift or frugal yet, that's for sure.

Actually I wouldn't mind a bit of imprudence, Jamie Rodriguez next transfer window. Now that would be a statement of intent.

 

[Jacko93]

Soi it's basically the Kenwright plan then. Sell players, get Sky money in, pray for a new stadium to come off that isn't snarled up in inquiries and comes to fruition. How long we looking at that for? The next 5 years...if all goes swimmingly from this point on?

Maybe I'm being naive, but I'd have thought that the beauty of having a billionaire businessman in control would be that he'd be able to make sure the commercial revenue of this club was being boosted dramatically in the meantime so that the club's squad investment wouldn't be hindered by FFP rules. Listening to Moshiri yesterday though it's clear that commercial transformation will only take place post-stadium build.

I see no tangible difference therefore between this regime and the last.

I would expect 5 years or so, yes. That's just the construction industry, he's got a lot of money, but you don't want to rush these things.

How is it "clear that commercial transformation will only take place post-stadium build"? I would say that the ongoing works to improve the look of Goodison park are happening in an attempt to improve the image of the club, therefore increasing the commercial income potential. That is happening now. There are deals currently in place that will restrict the forward movements we can make on some commercial income, such as shirt sponsorship, shirt manufacturer deals etc, but he'll be able to do something about Chang next summer, and he mentioned specifically the shirt manufacturer deals done by other clubs so improvement in that area that is clearly an aim of his.

 

[davek]

don't think it has been mentioned yet mate. didn't Koeman say in the summer he has (nor wants) any dealing with transfers and that would be done by walsh?

So hard to hold anything against him if he himself said he doesn't want to deal with that side of things?

That's right actually. Which again contradicts other stuff we read/hear. Is Koeman 'in total control' as Moshiri states, or is Koeman correct saying he leaves the job to others?

 

[KevMirallas]

Served its purpose though: the implication being that if we dont land expensive targets in the future everyone remembers the Moshiri words about Koeman being prudent with cash rather than players being out of our reach.

You are the Donald Trump of this place.

 

[Jacko93]

The only thing we have right now are words. There is no deeds to point to that would give you cause for being overly optimistic. That, btw, is the position of the owner of this forum in this very thread. Perhaps you can also make plain to him that he's similarly wrong to yet be persuaded this feller has done anything of substance yet?

What he has took Dave, is a balanced view on what is happening. you haven't, you've took to panning him and essentially calling him a liar at times.

...I know that mate, I listened to the same words as you. The underlying message is there though. People like him dont say much without there being a reason behind it. It wasn't a throwaway anecdote, it had a message inside it.

Yeah, that message was, Koeman has a Dutch sense of humour, heres an example.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Soi it's basically the Kenwright plan then. Sell players, get Sky money in, pray for a new stadium to come off that isn't snarled up in inquiries and comes to fruition. How long we looking at that for? The next 5 years...if all goes swimmingly from this point on?

Maybe I'm being naive, but I'd have thought that the beauty of having a billionaire businessman in control would be that he'd be able to make sure the commercial revenue of this club was being boosted dramatically in the meantime so that the club's squad investment wouldn't be hindered by FFP rules. Listening to Moshiri yesterday though it's clear that commercial transformation will only take place post-stadium build.

I see no tangible difference therefore between this regime and the last.

So if things start to happen over the next year or two for the better, will we ever see any positivity from posters like yourself or will you continue to plague every thread with the negative alternative view?

I can imagine it now. We could announce a 55,000 Waterfront Stadium and you'd moan that it isn't big enough, or it's too far north.

Do you see anything positive about Everton at the moment?

 

[Jacko93]

That's right actually. Which again contradicts other stuff we read/hear. Is Koeman 'in total control' as Moshiri states, or is Koeman correct saying he leaves the job to others?

If Koeman has decided to leave that to Walsh, then not only is Koeman in total control but he also trusts his colleagues that were put in place by Moshiri and his team.

 

[davek]

I don't really disagree with that point Dave - the words do need to be backed up with deeds. I also understand the cynicism here after years of BS. However I find it hard to understand why grown men take pleasure in being the harbinger of all manner of gloom, just to satisfy a 'told you so' moment. Many on here are sceptical, but only a select few turn circumstance and hardwired personal opinion into 'fact' quite like you do! I would add, if you really don't think this new regime is significantly different from the ineptitude and impoverishment of the long Kenwright / Johnson years, then frankly you are being obstinately blinkered - the big changes may still be to come (and we're all still waiting) but the behind the scenes changes so far under Moshiri are highly significant - if only you allow them to be...

That's not what I've said. I've said a few times in this thread alone that the difference between the two is that one has credibility where stadium buildings are concerned and the other are a busted flush.

But on the substance of a plan to get us to a built stadium and financially competing - that is completely correct also. Player sales + tv cash without any boost of the commercial arm of the club revenue generating machine until we get a new stadium = status quo for the next few years at least. That was the real story from yesterday's Moshiri interview: the notice served to us all that squad improvement would rely on commercial improvement on the back of a brand new stadium being financially exploited.

 

[Deleted member 24970]

He has more clout than Kenwright et al; more importantly he has credibility as a man of wealth whereas Kenwright et al were a busted flush with our local state/other land owners.

But it;s one thing to have that and another to get a stadium past planning permission. That doesn't appear to be a problem on the horizon yet, but I'd brace myself for objections...which will slow the whole thing down. So, what do we do for the next 5 years with no commercial growth to offset that? We sell our players and rely on tv cash handouts.

Plus ca change.

Its Everton mate, you would be naïve to think that any Evertonian believes anything will be plain sailing regarding the stadium lol
Im not sure what the current contract agreements are with existing sponsors and such but lets assume we have 12 months left on most, It will take 12 months of waiting unless we can agree new terms with existing deals.

 

[Jebus_lives]

...I know that mate, I listened to the same words as you. The underlying message is there though. People like him dont say much without there being a reason behind it. It wasn't a throwaway anecdote, it had a message inside it.

conversly hes also said that we are debt free, hes said that he will back the manager with whatever is required and we need to focus on a stadium to compete....there wouldnt be much point in saying all of that if he wasnt intending to follow through (he may as well have said nothing).

Its a bit angry mob at the moment 'hes said absolutely nothing lets grab the pitchforks' ...oh no wait hes come out and told us more about his plans 'hes lying grab the pitchforks'. Ive no reason to doubt him as yet. I dont understand the new messiah stuff but i dont understand the anger at peoples expectations not being met when they are entirely peoples own expectations and not those that have been talked about by Moshiri.

 

[The Esk]

Quick one as short of time.

Re commercial revenues - Chang disappear in May 2017, Kitbag (Findel) in 2019, Umbro in 2019 also.

I'll do some proper figures overy next couple of days but would expect minimum improvement of +£5 million per annum on shirt sponsor, much more if CL was achieved. Kitbag and Umbro similarly an improvement in excess of £10 million pa.

That plus other sponsorship opportunities plus the STCC increase gives quite a bit of headroom, coupled with some non key disposals.

Point being we don't need to stand still whilst waiting for the stadium.

I'll be back with more detailed thoughts when time permits in the next couple of days.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I see no tangible difference therefore between this regime and the last.

Like we would have ever bid 60 million for any player let alone a defender under Kenwright!

If you choose to ignore what he has done in a relatively short space of time here then that's up to you. There is nothing wrong with being wary and keeping your feet grounded and saying 'wait lads let's not get carried away with all this he still yet to prove that he is going to invest heavily and still no official announcement on a stadium'. Heaven knows we've been burnt enough in the past to understand that, but the tone of your posts indicate he is a nailed on fraud, and just a front man to deflect all while Kenwright is still the man calling the shots. It is getting close to WUM territory.

He's been here 9 months, of which only 2 have been when you can actually make changes to the squad. How can he be compared against 15 years of tenure that came before him in that amount of time.

If you have proof he is not going to invest his own money please enlighten everyone so we can understand where you are coming from, until then you are just hedging your bets that (like nearly always) it will fall on the negative side of the coin.

 

[davek]

I would expect 5 years or so, yes. That's just the construction industry, he's got a lot of money, but you don't want to rush these things.

How is it "clear that commercial transformation will only take place post-stadium build"? I would say that the ongoing works to improve the look of Goodison park are happening in an attempt to improve the image of the club, therefore increasing the commercial income potential. That is happening now. There are deals currently in place that will restrict the forward movements we can make on some commercial income, such as shirt sponsorship, shirt manufacturer deals etc, but he'll be able to do something about Chang next summer, and he mentioned specifically the shirt manufacturer deals done by other clubs so improvement in that area that is clearly an aim of his.

Read @The Esk post here yesterday that went largely uncommented on: he believes the superficial (my descriotion) renovation of the ground is an effiort to generate a near future naming rights deal for Goodison to boost commercial revenue. That act of desperation is a club that's saying they've given up on squeezing out improved shirt/sponsorship deals and are going for a lazy nuclear option that will bring them into conflcit with fans but also promises a few quid to tide us over for a season's worth of transfer windows.