Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[Abraders]

If Martinez came out and said 'it was my fault. the selection and the tactics were wrong' then I would have saved my respect for him and kept the faith. But he didn't, he dodged responsibility for the millionth time and i'm done.

 

[Azza]

We'll see - and believe me, we WILL see.

Dave I don't think people are disputing with you that Martinez will probably stay. I think he'll stay considering who we have at the helm.


The issue is that he shouldn't stay.

 

[USABlue]

Who plays him literally in every game regardless of form?

I'm not arguing about managers mate. Someone posted about what has happened to our defense considering we have the same players and manager as last year so I posted what I thought the difference was

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

The fact is that to mix it with the best in the Premiership and experienced European teams we need better players.

Alcaraz, Barry, Naismith, Atsu and Kone, Howard in the latter years of his career are not good enough for the levels we aspire too.

Then he deserves criticism for signing them

4 of those 6 are Martinez guys and Howard is someone he is slavishly loyal to

 

[Big_nev]

The moment Rom scored that beauty of a goal we should of collectively killed the game. Shut up shop, rigid formation and have a solid three protecting the back four at all times. Ross, Rom and Atsu should of been pulled back to form two banks of three and in theory we should of been hard to play through.

You cant attack in numbers and defend in numbers unless you have the work rates of Barcelona with players busting a gut to get back in to position.

 

[marty mcfly]

5-1 tonight, and the manner of the defeat.

5-1. [Poor language removed] we where hammered.

 

[MikeH72]

We'll see - and believe me, we WILL see.

I know we will, and I'm fearful of the outcome to say the least

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

all i hear is blah blah blah

 

[blue76]

5-1 tonight, and the manner of the defeat.

Moyes got beat 5-1 in Europe and didn't get sacked. The entire European run seems to have been erased. :'(

 

[Lukaku'sLeftTesticle]

They can't all turn to rubbish without the manager taking some responsibility.

That was my point...? It's the training tactics from the manager ... Not the players fault

 

[riddick]

I'm not arguing about managers mate. Someone posted about what has happened to our defense considering we have the same players and manager as last year so I posted what I thought the difference was

They dont even play the same way at all either. The DM's arent taking the space the fullbacks were in when they bomb forward. Literally nothing about our tactics last year to this are the same.

 

[Tubey]

The moment Rom scored that beauty of a goal we should of collectively killed the game. Shut up shop, rigid formation and have a solid three protecting the back four at all times. Ross, Rom and Atsu should of been pulled back to form two banks of three and in theory we should of been hard to play through.

You cant attack in numbers and defend in numbers unless you have the work rates of Barcelona with players busting a gut to get back in to position.

That'd be pragmatic management. Martinez is not a pragmatic manager, unless the crowd force his hand by the looks of it.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Maybe. But in reality he's only had one good season managing in the top flight.

And a lot of bad ones. Including this.

Agree we'd be utterly ruined if we went down.

That's the thing

All these people defending him. Do you think he gives a crap for us? He's probably already got an exit strategy planned

 

[chicoazul]

Hahahaha big swing again.

We're such swingers. Aye, and yer mar too.

 

[kenada_blue]

Neither do I, but I don't want a club that accepts a relegation threatened season whilst being knocked out of the domestic cups at the first stage either.

There's probably a middle road where you accept the manager has be so bad as to justify being sacked, and not sacking a manager every year.

As for the rest of your post, he was 'phenomenal' last year, but unfortunately you can't ignore that it was built on Moyes's stability at the club, and whilst I hoped he had the capability to evolve on the success of last year and take us to a new level with his own team, he's done the exact opposite. I can't come up with an argument for keeping him as manager, because he's failed so utterly that you have to take action against it for the clubs own self-respect if nothing else. It's totally unacceptable.

I agree with the first part.

But id say he hasn't fully put in place his own style and team.

He's relied heavily on the same team as last season. 60% of those players haven't hit the form or heights of that season to put in place a plan. Add an accumulation of injuries, games, etc, the idea of a drastically changed team hasn't happened. It's been a mess that he hasn't dealt with well, that I can agree.

To me he's not dealt with how to handle and change to make things work when the style he wants is hampered by lots of factors over the season. He's done it on spells. But when things seem to change for the better, he either makes a bad choice or the players don't perform.

I still feel he needs one more chance.