Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[USABlue]

think a big part of our defensive drop off from last season is Barry and Distin declining. Barry was absolutely ace last year which made a big difference for us

 

[toffee matt]

My opinion on Martinez has not changed for a long time and he does nothing to make me want to consider changing my opinion on that he should leave.

For as well as we played last season doubts creeped in during the run in after the Arsenal game, we collapsed started to struggle defensively and eventually finished 5th, the run between march and april was a massive factor in us finishing with a record points finish but when that momentum was needed most we faltered.

Fast forward a few months towards the world cup and we knew almost nothing about our potential pre-season, did he plan anything early? did he only think of his responsibilities to espn? No one knows but last pre-season was horrendously put together and more than anything pushed us further back in terms of the way we was performing.

Thats carried on all season and even in the europa league although we played better at times anyone who can look at the Wolfsburg games and see how we were incredibly lucky to not concede many goals is looking at it with blinkers on.

His tactical decisions at times are baffling to put it politely, his favouritism of certain players (much like moyes) is incredibly frustrating and stubborn and his ability to set a team up defensively is beyond belief. You look at Wenger at Arsenal he is very much the same and has always had the same stigma about him since his unbeatable side. Compare them with a Ferguson and a Mourinho and you see why the latter have been more successful, they adapt to other teams they play the way needed to win not the way that pleases them and to be a top top manager that is needed, even Guardiola knows at times you have to consider the opposition you play whether to play fast or slow, direct or short this is what separates from Martinez he doesn't seem to know and that includes when fans are screaming at him and the team to change things up.

Ever since he joined i always said although he wasnt my first choice i would back him, the problem with this is i can't back a man i don't believe. Everytime he talks i hear false hope, twisted words, trying to be positive when positivity is not needed. The europa league was his temple of peace this season and not that it has ended with a loud bang every bit of scrutiny will now be re-directed firmly at the league form and final position.

I personally have said before i wouldn't trust him to rebuild a squad and that still stands, his history with money and designation of wages is very shaky to say the least and if past history is anything to go by then more than likely the team is only going to slowly decline as his wigan side did over time, could you really imagine a future were we have a martinez built defense that is capable of regular clean sheets? He struggles enough with a defense that was largely Moyes created and built with the intention of being hard to beat.

As said before i thank him for an enjoyable 1st year but its just a case of counting the days now until Kenwright see's sense. The next manager is going to be close to a situation Moyes had in that the team is going to have a number of aging players left over with little money to improve and a handful of our better players seeking teams or being approached by teams in a much higher league position than us.

He changed the team round against palace at home in our game in hand and we've never looked the same since..

 

[stu f]

Let's look at it another way:

The first season was electric, no question we advanced as a club. This season has been nightmarishly poor in the PL but we have torn up some very decent teams in Europe.

Can that even be dreamt of as a situation you sack a relatively new manager under?

Not for me, not in a million years. Kenwright is well within his rights to stand by Martinez and give him next season.

This mood here tonight is all down to some perceived embarrassment in front of a national audience...the fact is we reached further than any team in Europe.

The fact is, we ended the game with 7 players over 30. That is Martinez's decision
Our players had no awareness of what was happening around them
My embarrassment is not perceived and I couldn't give a flying [Poor language removed] what the nation thinks

 

[MikeH72]

Game too far in a competition we did well as novices in.

Nothing to see here other than that.

PL needs sorting now then we can set our sights on the summer and rebuilding.

How do you see our rebuilding job going David? Where do you think Tom Cleverley will fit into da filussuffee?

 

[ProZ]

Moyes IN Martinez OUT

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Dunno mate.

Not sure he'd ever get a bigger job than us.

He'd get a decent side in Spain or Italy no problem

That or he'd get a lower team like espanyol and do something with them until a better job opened up

The point is, he'd be fine

We go down and we'll end up like Forest or Leeds

 

[BernieWright13]

"Boooo we didn't win the Europa League....people watched us on ITV4 and will laugh at us.....booo hoooo...sack the manager....boo hoooo"

And next season we'll start it with Roberto as Everton manager.

And your point is?
Oh, wait.

 

[Caolam]

I am of the opinion the manager should come under scrutiny when his team doesn't fulfil their potential. We certainly haven't done that this season. If the club was unhappy with him because of our domestic form he should have been sacked before Christmas.
Given were we are in the Premiership I don't believe anyone realistically thought we would win a European trophy.
We can't sack him now, we have to let him finish the season unless we fall back into a real relegation spot.
He needs to show he can change his style of play and come up with a game plan that gets the best out of the squad. He also has to show that he can recognise when players aren't up to it and drop them.
He has to show he can manage a Big team.

 

[marty mcfly]

The future of the side is Stones, McCarthy, Barkley, Lukaku and Besic.

This season though means that we will be lucky to hang onto them more than 1 season if they continue to progress.

Seriously reckon we could lose Lukaku this summer now, money talks and he gets nailed on 15+ a season! He is a very attractive proposition for a team with European football and lots of money of which we know there is.

Unfortunately he's also coming good at the wrong time for us and has been banging them in in Europe which is a shop window. I can see a lot of teams being interested in him.

 

[bluewally]

I am willing to forgive poor performances from players like Coleman, Barkley, jags, baines because I believe this manager has drained the confidence from the team with his horrible philosophy.

Barry however is finished. His legs are gone and alcaraz shouldn't be at the club at all.

 

[blulouie]

I think you will find what he says to the media and the players are 2 different things...

Thats the point all his talk is only ever about our forward play .

 

[davek]

How do you see our rebuilding job going David? Where do you think Tom Cleverley will fit into da filussuffee?

We'll see - and believe me, we WILL see.

 

[Axlswhk]

Rarely seen a group of player with so little belief in what they are being asked to.

That is a sackable offence in itself.

But he won't be sacked and will be given next season until our goal difference is about -37.

We will never ever defend properly under this manager, simply because he's not bothered about working on it.

no team in this world can ever defend properly with him in charge

 

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[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

A 6-4 defeat on aggregate? There has to be a separation of disappointment from now culture.

5-1 tonight, and the manner of the defeat.