Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[Lowste]

It's not just Chelsea that chop and change managers though is it?

No manager deserves a definitive amount of time if it is not working, which it isn't.

Agree - but you and others wanted him out after half a season after having a season were we exceeded all expectations

Show me the logic and I will agree with you, but you can't unless you be honest and just say you don't like the man

 

[LinekersLegs]

The next game is always the most important, by the time the City game had came around it was already over for us.

There are plenty of players who play consistently week in, week out. Mourinho keeps the same team, rotating only when necessary.

By that logic you would flog the same group of players from game 1 all the way through to something like game 35.

As you say Mourinho manages it but few others do. Even good managers of rich clubs such as Six Alex Ferguson or Wenger don't have the low injury records that Chelsea have historically managed.

And if it is so easy to pick out a winning team why don't you critique the lineup before they play - you always seem to leave your barbed comments for after the match has been won or lost.

 

[sageyefc]

You asked for examples and I gave you examples. You could say it was very astute management by Southampton to get what they did. Go before him when Atkins was sacked (many questioned this decision) and was replaced by Pochettino, they didn't have a dive in form like expected.

What has happened this season, finishing 10th at best cannot be seen as acceptable. This is how declines start, we get told that 10th is a great achievement and the. The next season it becomes the same aim, you end up hapless in the league like Newcastle and Aston Villa.

You gave me examples and i proved my point.

Southampton actually had a blind shot in the dark with an unproven pochetino, and it paid of somewhat, even though he had less than a 40% win ratio which shows how slightly overrated his time was there, and if memroy serves they did have a big dip afetr a very promising early season.

And as for 10th with us, your taking his comments out of context, he meant it after the season we've had to claw back to finish in the top 10 would be a good achievement, yet in his own words thats still a highly disappointing season

 

[Chang Elephant]

And if it is so easy to pick out a winning team why don't you critique the lineup before they play

No-one wants to see Howard and Barry in the starting lineup, even the opposition think it's devaluing the game

 

[LinekersLegs]

No-one wants to see Howard and Barry in the starting lineup, even the opposition think it's devaluing the game

And yet Barry did a superb job of marking Fellaini out of the Man United game.

 

[Chang Elephant]

And yet Barry did a superb job of marking Fellaini out of the Man United game.

and yet he's been utter toilet on average but still gets picked, automatically

 

[LinekersLegs]

and yet he's been utter toilet on average but still gets picked, automatically

Agree Barry should of been rotated more when we had other players fit, that is part of my whole disagreement with @GwladysBlue "play your best eleven each game"!

But Barry has had good games during the season and his worst spell came when we had noone else fit to partner Besic in midfield other than Barkley.

 

[jinkyali]

Of course there was a squad. The age of it wasn't balanced badly either. Barkley and stones didn't appear from nowhere. If he had concerns with the age then he's had 2 years to put that right.

The squad was none existent.
It was an experienced first eleven with little else in the way of a squad.
Bobby had to add numbers to an ageing squad.

 

[polish]

only the hoofball Evertonian element sees our footy now as 'boring'

You must be joking. Tell me you enjoyed this season's Everton's football and I won't believe you for a second.

We weren't able to dominate games, our passing was predictable and we kept posession just for it's sake - it's never a good strategy. You can play posession football, but you have to do it with proper tempo, you need lot of movement off the ball and create overloads in certain areas - where have you seen it this year? Our players were clueless going forward most of the time and didn't defend well. That's facts, not opinion.

 

[tim cahill]

The squad was none existent.
It was an experienced first eleven with little else in the way of a squad.
Bobby had to add numbers to an ageing squad.

Barkley and stones were part of that non existent squad. Who needed replacing immediately because of their age? We may not have had numbers in our squad like Chelsea but not many do.

 

[Neiler]

The squad was none existent.
It was an experienced first eleven with little else in the way of a squad.
Bobby had to add numbers to an ageing squad.

This is a great point remember how we used to have an injury crisis every other week.

 

[sageyefc]

You must be joking. Tell me you enjoyed this season's Everton's football and I won't believe you for a second.

We weren't able to dominate games, our passing was predictable and we kept posession just for it's sake - it's never a good strategy. You can play posession football, but you have to do it with proper tempo, you need lot of movement off the ball and create overloads in certain areas - where have you seen it this year? Our players were clueless going forward most of the time and didn't defend well. That's facts, not opinion.

TBF the first few months of the season we were very good going forward just couldnt defend. And in europe we played good stuff.

 

[polish]

TBF the first few months of the season we were very good going forward just couldnt defend. And in europe we played good stuff.

That's why I said "most of the time".

 

[jinkyali]

Barkley and stones were part of that non existent squad. Who needed replacing immediately because of their age? We may not have had numbers in our squad like Chelsea but not many do.

Judging on who immediately at the point of his departure required replacing is pointless. It doesnt stop someone being aging and therefore deteriorating whether or not they immediately had to be replaced.
His final squad had in Howard , Hibbert, Distin, Pienaar, Osman, Mucha all of which were over 32 years old. Jags was nearly 31, Baines was 29 at the time too. Heitinga was approaching 30.
His final squad had three players younger than 25 in; Barkley, Oviedo and Big Vic. They will have had less than 50 starts between them.
Less than two years on and the squad is old, inexperienced and requires an overhaul.

You cant deny the team wernt aging. Moyes never built a squad. It was a squad only by name. For the main part it was a mix of around 14 players who played nearly 100% of the time.

Bobby had to get players in to take the burden from the guys such as those mentioned above, all of which became more accustomed to injuries and less reliable to be available on the pitch.

Its no coincidence his most significant signings are McCarthy, Lukaku & Besic; all of which were 23 or younger when purchased. Galloway was added as well for significant funds and Joel Robles was bought as a long term addition.
Barkley , Stones and Garbutt all promoted to first team squad.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Of course there was a squad. The age of it wasn't balanced badly either. Barkley and stones didn't appear from nowhere. If he had concerns with the age then he's had 2 years to put that right.

Not quite sure how you can say our squad was balanced age wise.

We had Heitinga, Mucha plus Neville and Hitlzsperger had already retired before Martinez came needing to be replaced. Add to that Distin, Hibbert, Howard, Pienaar and Osman and that is a fairly "experienced" squad.

We did have a nice age range of strikers but in the previous season they had only scored 7,6 and zero league goals respectively.