Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[davek]

But has he upgraded them with better players? Where's Osman's upgrade? Still looked the best player yesterday. Where's Pienaar's upgrade? Where is Baines' replacement (prob leaving on a free). Where are the replacements for Jags and Distin? (Moyes bought Stones). Most of all where is Howard's replacement?

Alcaraz, Kone, Mcgeady, Barry, Robles (if he won't play him over Howard) Traore Atsu. All poor buys that haven't helped the profile or quality of the squad at all.

He's done well to bring on Stones and Barkley (although the latter needs to kick on) and it's good to see Browning and Galloway being on the cusp. Lukaku is a good player and Besic and McCarthy are good players if a little too four in their passing.

No two ways about it though, 10th won't be good enough for next season.

You ask questions of what Martinez has done to revamp the squad...then mostly answer it in your final paragraph.

As for Osman's replacement: I fully expect that to be sorted this summer, and RM has indicated it will. The GK issue is the outstanding one, but even here he did bring Robles in and he is now a confirmed able stand in at the very least.

The end of this window we will see Martinez's Everton become almost complete. We can judge him from now on in relation to first team core strength.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Most of all where is Howard's replacement?

If that isn't addressed this summer he should be clearing his desk

 

[GwladysBlue]

5th and 10th...some people want him sacked.

Utterly laughable. There is no justification for that conclusion. None.

And, please, can we finally nail this canard that Martinez inherited a fantastic squad and that he's somehow underachieved this season with it. It was the same squad that we all believed in the last season under Moyes needed to be upgraded with younger and better players. He didn't inherit a group that just needed stewarding carefully. He inherited a very mixed group with raw talent coming through and older quality players on their way out and a few like Mirallas and Coleman somewhere in between.

Two seasons in: all told, it's a very acceptable return on his time here so far.

It is not acceptable, not by a long shot. You think clubs like Southampton, Stoke, Swansea and possibly West Ham depending on what happens next week finishing above us is good enough?

He spent £36m, more money spent in a transfer window than any manager we've had. He has managed to take a consistent Top 7 club into one that is clinging on for top half status. His predictable, boring football has been the scourge of Everton all season. His refusal to acknowledge the terrible form of his favourites has also been deplorable.

My favourite of the season has to be bringing Howard back claiming it is his position and then in the same breathe uses the exact opposite reasoning as to why Alcaraz kept his place over John Stones in our European humiliation.

I have seen Martinez come up with so many excuses for this season, I'm yet to see him once take responsibility.

He deserves nothing more than sacking for this season. Any other of the supposed big clubs would be doing the same, except a Tottenham bad season is seen as possibly 7th, we take it a step further and still some fans back it. We then wonder why we're constantly overlooked.

 

[Deco]

It is not acceptable, not by a long shot. You think clubs like Southampton, Stoke, Swansea and possibly West Ham depending on what happens next week is good enough?

He spent £36m, more money spent in a transfer window than any manager we've had. He has managed to take a consistent Top 7 club into one that is clinging on for top half status. His predictable, boring football has been the scourge of Everton all season. His refusal to acknowledge the terrible form of his favourites has also been deplorable.

My favourite of the season has to be bringing Howard back claiming it is his position and then in the same breathe uses the exact opposite reasoning as to why Alcaraz kept his place over John Stones in our European humiliation.

I have seen Martinez come up with so many excuses for this season, I'm yet to see him once take responsibility.

He deserves nothing more than sacking for this season. Any other of the supposed big clubs would be doing the same, except a Tottenham bad season is seen as possibly 7th, we take it a step further and still some fans back it. We then wonder why we're constantly overlooked.

The Howard/Robles and Stones/Alcaraz situations were ridiculous. Completely wrong decisions.

 

[sageyefc]

The Howard/Robles and Stones/Alcaraz situations were ridiculous. Completely wrong decisions.

TBH i kinda saw the reasoning behind the alcaraz one at the time, he just had his best game ever for us, he was our best in the air and stones was coming back from injury.
But after 5 minutes alcaraz looked out of it, should at least made the change at half time


Howard one was an utter joke

 

[maccavennie]

TBH i kinda saw the reasoning behind the alcaraz one at the time, he just had his best game ever for us, he was our best in the air and stones was coming back from injury.
But after 5 minutes alcaraz looked out of it, should at least made the change at half time


Howard one was an utter joke

Yep ht away at Kiev we still had a chance and he should have definitely reacted to what was needed. The balance of the side was awful, Alcaraz was having an absolute nightmare ( he ended up playing right wing for the last 10 minutes lol ). Martinez who had got everything right in Europe up to that point got absolutely destroyed unfortunately to our cost.

The less said about the decision to bring Howard back the better. Appalling management imo that call.

 

[Furey1878]

But has he upgraded them with better players? Where's Osman's upgrade? Still looked the best player yesterday. Where's Pienaar's upgrade? Where is Baines' replacement (prob leaving on a free). Where are the replacements for Jags and Distin? (Moyes bought Stones). Most of all where is Howard's replacement?

Alcaraz, Kone, Mcgeady, Barry, Robles (if he won't play him over Howard) Traore Atsu. All poor buys that haven't helped the profile or quality of the squad at all.

He's done well to bring on Stones and Barkley (although the latter needs to kick on) and it's good to see Browning and Galloway being on the cusp. Lukaku is a good player and Besic and McCarthy are good players if a little too four in their passing.

No two ways about it though, 10th won't be good enough for next season.

Barry was superb in his first season. I can;t blame Martinez too much for showing a bit of faith in him, granted he's overplayed him this season but it's way too harsh to call him a poor buy. I'm not gonna argue McGeady was a good buy but as a squad player for under 1 mil, I don't have too many complaints. Traore and Atsu were both unfortunate with injuries, too.

 

[Furey1878]

It is not acceptable, not by a long shot. You think clubs like Southampton, Stoke, Swansea and possibly West Ham depending on what happens next week finishing above us is good enough?

He spent £36m, more money spent in a transfer window than any manager we've had. He has managed to take a consistent Top 7 club into one that is clinging on for top half status. His predictable, boring football has been the scourge of Everton all season. His refusal to acknowledge the terrible form of his favourites has also been deplorable.

My favourite of the season has to be bringing Howard back claiming it is his position and then in the same breathe uses the exact opposite reasoning as to why Alcaraz kept his place over John Stones in our European humiliation.

I have seen Martinez come up with so many excuses for this season, I'm yet to see him once take responsibility.

He deserves nothing more than sacking for this season. Any other of the supposed big clubs would be doing the same, except a Tottenham bad season is seen as possibly 7th, we take it a step further and still some fans back it. We then wonder why we're constantly overlooked.

Pretty much all on one player, mostly with funds generated through last season's sales. If you think buying Lukaku was wrong then fair enough, but I'd have to disagree if so.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Pretty much all on one player, mostly with funds generated through last season's sales. If you think buying Lukaku was wrong then fair enough, but I'd have to disagree if so.

It's money nonetheless. I'm sure you've had a good laugh at the money spent on Balotelli, Lambert, etc.

 

[Toffeelover]

You ask questions of what Martinez has done to revamp the squad...then mostly answer it in your final paragraph.

As for Osman's replacement: I fully expect that to be sorted this summer, and RM has indicated it will. The GK issue is the outstanding one, but even here he did bring Robles in and he is now a confirmed able stand in at the very least.

The end of this window we will see Martinez's Everton become almost complete. We can judge him from now on in relation to first team core strength.

Rumour has it he is looking at the Owls GK.

 

[sageyefc]

Rumour has it he is looking at the Owls GK.

No, he was just training at finch farm with the national team

 

[davek]

It is not acceptable, not by a long shot. You think clubs like Southampton, Stoke, Swansea and possibly West Ham depending on what happens next week finishing above us is good enough?

He spent £36m, more money spent in a transfer window than any manager we've had. He has managed to take a consistent Top 7 club into one that is clinging on for top half status. His predictable, boring football has been the scourge of Everton all season. His refusal to acknowledge the terrible form of his favourites has also been deplorable.

My favourite of the season has to be bringing Howard back claiming it is his position and then in the same breathe uses the exact opposite reasoning as to why Alcaraz kept his place over John Stones in our European humiliation.

I have seen Martinez come up with so many excuses for this season, I'm yet to see him once take responsibility.

He deserves nothing more than sacking for this season. Any other of the supposed big clubs would be doing the same, except a Tottenham bad season is seen as possibly 7th, we take it a step further and still some fans back it. We then wonder why we're constantly overlooked.

Outrageously wide of the mark. His net spend is the usual pitiful amount as per any Everton manager; our football has been praised by most commentators and critics (only the hoofball Evertonian element sees our footy now as 'boring'); his record of 72 points last season cannot be gain-said by you, so you don't even go there.

In three words: you are wrong.

 

[Toffeelover]

No, he was just training at finch farm with the national team

Would not want him anyway too old, we need some one younger.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

So it seems the general consensus on here is that if we are poor come Christmas next season it's clear he isn't the right man and we need to make the change?

Is that right?

Is that enough time to forget the miracle of Goodison?

 

[GwladysBlue]

Outrageously wide of the mark. His net spend is the usual pitiful amount as per any Everton manager; our football has been praised by most commentators and critics (only the hoofball Evertonian element sees our footy now as 'boring'); his record of 72 points last season cannot be gain-said by you, so you don't even go there.

In three words: you are wrong.

I'm wrong because you said I am? I know you like to make yourself out to be a Martinez expert, but I think I make a valid point.

Net spend is low yes, that still takes nothing away from the money that has been spent. It doesn't become a different currency, you know? He had £36m to play with and has managed to make us worse than we have been for nearly 10 years. Just because the money has been generated through the sale of one player, certainly doesn't mean it can be used as an excuse. The sales of Suarez and Bale show how generated money can be wasted, but that's okay because at least it wasn't proper money...

His record of 72 points only makes the 25 points difference swing all the more worrying that he has managed to oversee such a decline. This season could be our worst points total since the 2003-2004 season. Shall we add in the utter embarrassment of going out of both cups in the first round for the first time in 80 odd years?

All season you have come out with ridiculous comments about Martinez like some wide-eyed fanboy, refusing to see any wrong. I'm totally convinced it is all for show.