Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

Martinez

  • In

    Votes: 504 46.4%
  • Out

    Votes: 583 53.6%

  • Total voters
    1,087
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This will be our worst point total for a decade. You say the charges are becoming diluted because he has got us to the lofty heights of 10th, are you on the wind up? It is a position that is completely unacceptable. You do know that you don't win anything for finishing 5th as well don't you? that seems to be the argument you hark back to consistently.

I suppose to conclude this debate fittingly, would be it comes down to what your thoughts are on Everton. Mine are that this club should never be in a dogfight with West Ham for 10th, to be going out of domestic cups in the first round, to watch absolute garbage teams take points consistently from us; yours is that Martinez has done an excellent job and that seems to be enough.

Don't take too much notice of Davek mate.

He's clearly a football snob who values passing and posession over winning games. Thats why he loves Martinez.

Playing football "the Everton way", a way which befits our history is more important than winning things which befits our history.

Hence his attacks on "Sargeant Major Moyes" and labelling everyone who doesn't support Martinez and his attempts to win the passing as "plotters" who want a return to "agricultural hoofball".

Ignore the 4th place and cup final Moyes got, Martinez achieved "the miracle of Goodsion" by finishing 5th and got loads of plaudits for his style of football which is far more important than winning games.

If you want Everton to be challenging for a CL or EL place you have an unrealistic sense of entitlement and don't understand how winning the "phenomonal moment of passing football" trophy is way more important.

Which is hilarious when you think off all the complaints he's made about the board over the years. But you know, hypocrisy Paige is a trolls middle name.
 
At this stage roberto is going nowhere . Love him or hate him he is our manager and we have to get behind him .. It's been a roller coaster of a season and some strange decisions / choices made by him . I think we just have to accept he knows what he is doing and hope next season we can turn it around ....
 
TBH 25m for someone who more or less guarantees around 18-20 goals and has huge potential is a good price.

We bought a work in progress, a few evertonians arent patient enough to understand it takes time to develop into a world class player.

As long as he keeps slotting in the meantime, im sound with that
100% agree
The point I am making is 28m was the inflated price because of the windfall of the TV money
18-20m would of been the asking price before the windfall.
Does anybody really think Fellaini was worth 27m
 
You really need me to explain?

Because before Moyes took over our squad was awful and we were regularly finishing 13th or below in the table and he was given next to nothing to invest.

When Martinez took over he had a good squad that regularly finished in the top 7 and has had a decent amount to invest in it.

Yes you could look at it that way but in RM first season the brand of football was not HOOF ball and he got record prem league ponts, while DM unfolded into a disaster at unt - DM is a good solid defensive manager we needed a change RM has had one bad season imo the jury is out on him as the age of the squad, and contracts dished out to those ageing players has been and still is detrimental to rebuild the team of the style of last years football!
He some how has to move the players who are ageing past their best!
 
It is not acceptable, not by a long shot. You think clubs like Southampton, Stoke, Swansea and possibly West Ham depending on what happens next week finishing above us is good enough?

He spent £36m, more money spent in a transfer window than any manager we've had. He has managed to take a consistent Top 7 club into one that is clinging on for top half status. His predictable, boring football has been the scourge of Everton all season. His refusal to acknowledge the terrible form of his favourites has also been deplorable.


My favourite of the season has to be bringing Howard back claiming it is his position and then in the same breathe uses the exact opposite reasoning as to why Alcaraz kept his place over John Stones in our European humiliation.

I have seen Martinez come up with so many excuses for this season, I'm yet to see him once take responsibility.

He deserves nothing more than sacking for this season. Any other of the supposed big clubs would be doing the same, except a Tottenham bad season is seen as possibly 7th, we take it a step further and still some fans back it. We then wonder why we're constantly overlooked.

The sad reality of the fact is that we aren't a big club.
Used to be, yes. Aspire to be again yes.
We aren't however one at the moment.
It's easy to say, oh well fire the man, yeah it's been a shocking season where we've underperformed according to where we have in the past.
But the chilling reality is this.
We fire the man, so what. The next manager comes in and is expected to perform miracles and keep us punching above our financial weight.
Big clubs can solve problems by throwing money at a wall, buying guff and only needing about 30% of the guff to be decent.
We sadly don't work under those constraints. We need almost every player we buy to be successful in some way shape or form.
The only way we will become big again is by building something, not just on the pitch but off it, bringing the whole club into shape around it.
Whether that can happen under this board, I have big question marks.
However creating an environment where you achieve success in one season or you're out the door isn't conducive to building something.


Stones, Barkley, McCarthy, Besic, Lukaku, that's the core of a pretty decent side in the making. All players he's either brought into the club or made first team regulars.
We're building a pretty decent team here, with others like Galloway, Ledson on the fringes.

So yeah, crap season.
Terrible even.
Out of both cups early, decent European run, beat some good sides, self combusted in Kiev. Crap to be nice in the league
Plenty of things to point the finger at, the manager, players unable to do the basics, a terrible run of injuries combining to form a sh1t storm of lost confidence and dropped points.
Awful all around

We did have a good season last year however, genuinely competed for top four for the first time in years.
Had players knocking the ball around well, playing some nice stuff.
School of Science is on its way back yano.
Went at top teams and gave them a game.
Attacking vibrant young manager.

Same bloke as the one who managed us this year.

So for me it's got to this point.
One good season.
One bad season.
He's spent some money.
Next season I want to start seeing a return on it, more of the first season and less of the second.
 
I suppose to conclude this debate fittingly, would be it comes down to what your thoughts are on Everton. Mine are that this club should never be in a dogfight with West Ham for 10th, to be going out of domestic cups in the first round, to watch absolute garbage teams take points consistently from us; yours is that Martinez has done an excellent job and that seems to be enough.

But you were happy with Moyes getting three spots further up at 7th each season.

Doesn't sound like we lost out on an awful lot this season then does it?

All of yours (and others) arguments come crashing against the rocks of that first season 72 points total.

Martinez is a manager who can do that where the dullard Moyes could never do it because he had no vision and no boldness.

Season three will see us well up the table again with one game per week to play and a couple of additions to the first team pool. I think everyone deep down knows this. This season has been poor but it will be the aberration under Martinez...our aberration under Moyes was 17th.
 
This will be our worst point total for a decade.

OH NO! SAY IT AIN'T SO! Y-Y-you mean this has happened before? F*&K!

You say the charges are becoming diluted because he has got us to the lofty heights of 10th, are you on the wind up? It is a position that is completely unacceptable.

If you want to go off league placing, every season since 1987 has been unacceptable. So, you've been pissing and moaning for almost 30 years now I take it? That's a charmed life, right there.

I suppose to conclude this debate fittingly, would be it comes down to what your thoughts are on Everton. Mine are that this club should never be in a dogfight with West Ham for 10th, to be going out of domestic cups in the first round, to watch absolute garbage teams take points consistently from us

If football worked in absolutes, it wouldn't be football...but you'd still be floating down a river of your own tears.

Thanks for the laugh.


Regards,

Reality
 
But you were happy with Moyes getting three spots further up at 7th each season.

Doesn't sound like we lost out on an awful lot this season then does it?

All of yours (and others) arguments come crashing against the rocks of that first season 72 points total.

Martinez is a manager who can do that where the dullard Moyes could never do it because he had no vision and no boldness.

Season three will see us well up the table again with one game per week to play and a couple of additions to the first team pool. I think everyone deep down knows this. This season has been poor but it will be the aberration under Martinez...our aberration under Moyes was 17th.
You're talking about 72 points like it is the Holy Grail, Moyes got to 65 points once in a season and we finished 5th, in another he got 61 and finished 4th. It is placing a that count, not points.

Your entire argument is based around one season when I fact that is the odd occurrence in his Premier League career. Also I wasn't happy with 7th, however that is the bare minimum placing Everton should finish.

You bang on week, after week with the most tedious argument without looking at the writing on the wall. The man is a stubborn fraud who refuses to take any blame. You'd think he would learn from mistakes but his continued thrashings as a manager suggest otherwise. He entertained us for one season, this season has been on a par with some of the worst football Moyes' teams played.
 
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