Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[GwladysBlue]

OH NO! SAY IT AIN'T SO! Y-Y-you mean this has happened before? F*&K!



If you want to go off league placing, every season since 1987 has been unacceptable. So, you've been pissing and moaning for almost 30 years now I take it? That's a charmed life, right there.



If football worked in absolutes, it wouldn't be football...but you'd still be floating down a river of your own tears.

Thanks for the laugh.


Regards,

Reality

What a really insightful contribution.

 

[GwladysBlue]

The sad reality of the fact is that we aren't a big club.
Used to be, yes. Aspire to be again yes.
We aren't however one at the moment.
It's easy to say, oh well fire the man, yeah it's been a shocking season where we've underperformed according to where we have in the past.
But the chilling reality is this.
We fire the man, so what. The next manager comes in and is expected to perform miracles and keep us punching above our financial weight.
Big clubs can solve problems by throwing money at a wall, buying guff and only needing about 30% of the guff to be decent.
We sadly don't work under those constraints. We need almost every player we buy to be successful in some way shape or form.
The only way we will become big again is by building something, not just on the pitch but off it, bringing the whole club into shape around it.
Whether that can happen under this board, I have big question marks.
However creating an environment where you achieve success in one season or you're out the door isn't conducive to building something.


Stones, Barkley, McCarthy, Besic, Lukaku, that's the core of a pretty decent side in the making. All players he's either brought into the club or made first team regulars.
We're building a pretty decent team here, with others like Galloway, Ledson on the fringes.

So yeah, crap season.
Terrible even.
Out of both cups early, decent European run, beat some good sides, self combusted in Kiev. Crap to be nice in the league
Plenty of things to point the finger at, the manager, players unable to do the basics, a terrible run of injuries combining to form a sh1t storm of lost confidence and dropped points.
Awful all around

We did have a good season last year however, genuinely competed for top four for the first time in years.
Had players knocking the ball around well, playing some nice stuff.
School of Science is on its way back yano.
Went at top teams and gave them a game.
Attacking vibrant young manager.

Same bloke as the one who managed us this year.

So for me it's got to this point.
One good season.
One bad season.
He's spent some money.
Next season I want to start seeing a return on it, more of the first season and less of the second.

We are a big club. This pauper tag is just being used as a shield for Martinez. You have a listen to other clubs fans on our spending this season, I'm sure most of them would have been looking at a £28m striker coming in and been very jealous. Do you think Stoke, Swansea or Southampton could ever she'll that money out on one player?

This season Martinez undone any bit of good he had achieved in his first season. Many managers come into a new club and do well first time, it is a very common occurrence. Also I think something that gets forgotten about under this miraculous event of Everton moving up a whole place from 6th in 2012-13 to 5th in 2013-14 is Martinez absolutely blew 4th when it was in our hands. We demolished Arsenal, went to Sunderland and put in a poor performance but still claimed the three points and then for some bizzare reason he drops McCarthy and we lose to Crystal Palace at home. Another strange decision was bringing in Robles when he'd been having a rough patch for an FA Cup quarter final. At such a stage in the competition when you're one game away from Wembley, why make that stupid decision?

Last season was not all roses, subtle signs were there and people need to remember that. This season has just magnified his decision making.

 

[sageyefc]

Jesus, whys there still arguments going on, hes staying end of. Have a break for summer

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

What a really insightful contribution.

I can't take credit, TBF...I just put words to a cave wall drawing I saw not long ago.

 

[ilikecheese]

We are a big club. This pauper tag is just being used as a shield for Martinez. You have a listen to other clubs fans on our spending this season, I'm sure most of them would have been looking at a £28m striker coming in and been very jealous. Do you think Stoke, Swansea or Southampton could ever she'll that money out on one player?

This season Martinez undone any bit of good he had achieved in his first season. Many managers come into a new club and do well first time, it is a very common occurrence. Also I think something that gets forgotten about under this miraculous event of Everton moving up a whole place from 6th in 2012-13 to 5th in 2013-14 is Martinez absolutely blew 4th when it was in our hands. We demolished Arsenal, went to Sunderland and put in a poor performance but still claimed the three points and then for some bizzare reason he drops McCarthy and we lose to Crystal Palace at home. Another strange decision was bringing in Robles when he'd been having a rough patch for an FA Cup quarter final. At such a stage in the competition when you're one game away from Wembley, why make that stupid decision?

Last season was not all roses, subtle signs were there and people need to remember that. This season has just magnified his decision making.

He's not going anywhere so pipe down. You've said your piece, and you are clearly in the 'Out' category.

 

[jinkyali]

You really need me to explain?

Because before Moyes took over our squad was awful and we were regularly finishing 13th or below in the table and he was given next to nothing to invest.

When Martinez took over he had a good squad that regularly finished in the top 7 and has had a decent amount to invest in it.

Bobby took over an aging first 11. Never a squad.

 

[hktoffee]

Martinez is staying put.

Next season we have no Europe. He has no more excuses so this coming season is make or break for him.

6th is the minimum.

 

[hktoffee]

Bobby took over an aging first 11. Never a squad.

That doesn't help when he decided to add Kone, Alcaraz and Barry etc to the squad is it?

 

[Connor]

That doesn't help when he decided to add Kone, Alcaraz and Barry etc to the squad is it?

Helped that he added McCarthy, Lukaku, Barkley and Stones though.

 

[ilikecheese]

That doesn't help when he decided to add Kone, Alcaraz and Barry etc to the squad is it?

Barry was arguably out POTY last season.

 

[hktoffee]

Helped that he added McCarthy, Lukaku, Barkley and Stones though.

True but I do not agree some poster said Martinez got an ageing squad off Moyes. It was a top 6 squad.

 

[blue to the bone]

Helped that he added McCarthy, Lukaku, Barkley and Stones though.

Didn't add stones. But Barry was excellent last season and has been very good last 2 months

 

[hktoffee]

Barry was arguably out POTY last season.

I agree. I thought Barry was ace last season.

 

[ilikecheese]

Didn't add stones. But Barry was excellent last season and has been very good last 2 months

Promoted Stones and Barkley into the first team.

 

[Lowste]

We are a big club. This pauper tag is just being used as a shield for Martinez. You have a listen to other clubs fans on our spending this season, I'm sure most of them would have been looking at a £28m striker coming in and been very jealous. Do you think Stoke, Swansea or Southampton could ever she'll that money out on one player?

This season Martinez undone any bit of good he had achieved in his first season. Many managers come into a new club and do well first time, it is a very common occurrence. Also I think something that gets forgotten about under this miraculous event of Everton moving up a whole place from 6th in 2012-13 to 5th in 2013-14 is Martinez absolutely blew 4th when it was in our hands. We demolished Arsenal, went to Sunderland and put in a poor performance but still claimed the three points and then for some bizzare reason he drops McCarthy and we lose to Crystal Palace at home. Another strange decision was bringing in Robles when he'd been having a rough patch for an FA Cup quarter final. At such a stage in the competition when you're one game away from Wembley, why make that stupid decision?

Last season was not all roses, subtle signs were there and people need to remember that. This season has just magnified his decision making.

The pauper tag was used by Moyes over and over...remember the 'going into a gun fight with a knife'. Sadly we have to spend carefully and economically, building a squad will take time and patience, something you don't understand.
Also sadly in the financial league we are not a big club, we sadly fall behind too many clubs who are not bigger than us in fan base and history
As for your argument over RM you fall into the same category as many on here, and that is simply you don't like him so no matter what he does you will complain.