Current Affairs Knife crime

[peteblue]

Nope. The current total is around 30,000.

Oh, and per 100,000 people, London has 359 vs 248 for Liverpool, and is approximately double what you get in the Shires... I assume it’s for the demo’s etc.....

 

[PhilM]

Oh, and per 100,000 people, London has 359 vs 248 for Liverpool, and is approximately double what you get in the Shires... I assume it’s for the demo’s etc.....

Like I mentioned earlier Pete, the Met holds numerous extra responsibilities that other forces do not have, or at least not to the same extent.

You've got Royal Protection, Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection (all consulates, embassies and their staff) and of ministry/govt buildings.

Not to mention the number of specialist crime that the Met are overly responsible for including CT, SOC, serious fraud, online grooming et al.

Factor in the number of additional tourists, migrant workers or infrequent visitors (through work etc) that each and every day they must police.

Yes there's more officers per population and they do get additional resources, but when compared to their pressures it's not actually that simple.

And before when I said eight million, I was probably selling it short by nigh on eight hundred thousand - nearly an extra million people!

 

[longers]

If we knew what that was it would definitely get the blame......

It’s basically Englands answer to Hip Hop and the fastest growing genre in the country... it’s what the vast majority of male inner city kids listen to, particularly in London.

When Gangster rap took off in states in early-mid 90s it was blamed for the murder rates rising, same thing will probably happen with Grime (kinda already has but not to the point of their being an entire agenda/movement against it)

Its easier to blame a genre of music than figure out and tackle the heart of the problem.

If the murder rate continues to rise or stay at the current level you’ll start seeing it all over the news.... I garauntee it.

 

[tsubaki]

Oh, and per 100,000 people, London has 359 vs 248 for Liverpool, and is approximately double what you get in the Shires... I assume it’s for the demo’s etc.....

There aren't enough cops in the cities or shires either though, that is the point.

House of Commons Library as at 23/3/18 says 31,547, so fair enough right in the middle....still more than the RN and RM’s.......

pete, you should have checked that table - at the top of it it states "At 31 March 2017"

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Indeed. My point being that poverty and inequality also exist in the countryside but without the knives, it is a mixture but gun and knife crime is prevalent in cities and to a much lesser degree outside. Hence my question of why Cities. There have been a few answers on here such as yours and COYBL25 that I feel get closer to the truth.....

I live in the least densely populated county in England and funny enough in 2015 it had the joint 6th highest rate of knife crime.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-knife-crime-capital-9447494

Admittedly, in all likelihood, this was probably most common in what is considered urban areas round here, but it goes to show it’s not a problem exclusive to your big cities.
There’s no easy answers imo. As long as knives exist so will knife crime. Greater education in schools provided by reformed perpetrators would be one of my areas of funding initiatives. Community cohesion projects etc. All your typical snowflake answers

 

[peteblue]

I live in the least densely populated county in England and funny enough in 2015 it had the joint 6th highest rate of knife crime.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-knife-crime-capital-9447494

Admittedly, in all likelihood, this was probably most common in what is considered urban areas round here, but it goes to show it’s not a problem exclusive to your big cities.
There’s no easy answers imo. As long as knives exist so will knife crime. Greater education in schools provided by reformed perpetrators would be one of my areas of funding initiatives. Community cohesion projects etc. All your typical snowflake answers

None of us know the answers mate........

 

[peteblue]

There aren't enough cops in the cities or shires either though, that is the point.



pete, you should have checked that table - at the top of it it states "At 31 March 2017"

Sorry I meant the date of the report.....

 

[witchdoc187]

I agree that if used incorrectly then stop and searches of a specific group can cause its own severe issues, but that shouldn't automatically halt it.

Better communication with the community and a levels transparency of the needs for searches would, to an extent, would help negate issues.

Understandably 'profiling' can be seen as wrong (and used wrongly), however sometimes it's based purely on the statics that are evident.

"Are you stopping me because I'm X?" Well sometimes the answer is justly yes - it's not racism; rather it's dealing with the circumstances.

If there was an issue with middle-aged white women who were committing violent crimes in a certain area, would they not be liable to be stopped?

If a certain demographic are involved in specific crimes (violent, drug dealing, theft et al) within an area, then that group should be focused on.

Some of the kids I know were being stopped several times a day every day in south London mate. I can tell you their attitude to the police was extremely negative. They were manhandled spoken to in derogatory manner, insulted regularly. Really effects their confidence and attitude. Disgusting the way some of the kids are treated by these tough guy racists

 

[edge]

if you put people outside society , underclass, poor education, high unemployment , poor parental role models, this is what you get, be it in London or anywhere else.
Not an easy one to solve, if indeed it ever can be.

 

[peteblue]

if you put people outside society , underclass, poor education, high unemployment , poor parental role models, this is what you get, be it in London or anywhere else.
Not an easy one to solve, if indeed it ever can be.

Indeed, but this stuff in London is ethnic and probably drugs related. Of course no one can actually say so, and the Police will ignore it, just like the Mayor of London has ‘gone missing’....everyone will blame the government, cuts, etc etc, but no one will blame the actual individuals or their parents.......

 

[edge]

two more in London last night, going off its head down there.

 

[peteblue]

two more in London last night, going off its head down there.

Unless the Police crack down it will continue to escalate now. Anyone heard from that Mayor yet.......

 

[edge]

Unless the Police crack down it will continue to escalate now. Anyone heard from that Mayor yet.......

if they crack down we will get them saying its stop and search, that's causing it, they cant win

 

[edge]

Unless the Police crack down it will continue to escalate now. Anyone heard from that Mayor yet.......

On a course i think Pete, how to survive a day in London

 

[Walken]

It’s basically Englands answer to Hip Hop and the fastest growing genre in the country... it’s what the vast majority of male inner city kids listen to, particularly in London.

When Gangster rap took off in states in early-mid 90s it was blamed for the murder rates rising, same thing will probably happen with Grime (kinda already has but not to the point of their being an entire agenda/movement against it)

Its easier to blame a genre of music than figure out and tackle the heart of the problem.

If the murder rate continues to rise or stay at the current level you’ll start seeing it all over the news.... I garauntee it.

I honestly thought we'd gotten past the base level thinking of blaming computer games/movies/music for what are clearly social issues, occasionally I will come across a 90s interview of some 80 year news anchor stating how violence in grand theft auto, or listening to Marilyn Manson can turn kids pure evil, it's so cringey and out of touch