Current Affairs Knife crime

[orchard]

There is no justifiable reason for carrying a knife.

Increase the tariff significantly for possession of a knife must be the first start.

There are loads of reasons to carry a knife mate, it's a very useful tool. If you restrict your generalisation to bua's then fair enough, but let's not get hysterical.

 

[peteblue]

I think that would generate problems of its own, Pete. There is no faster way to breed resentment and anger towards police than profile orientated stop and frisks. It flies in the face of presumption of innocence, and can make already isolated communities even more disdainful of the law

Yet this is the reason stop and search was reduced, that worked well didn’t it.....New York had a horrendous murder rate, they introduced a zero tolerance policy and the murder rate came down......

 

[canuckblue]

Is there a role for David Moyes here?

 

[COYBL25]

It would be costly, but what about the introduction of those knife detectors / knife wands, like they have at places like airports ?.

This would negate " searching " someone.

I appreciate, that it`s possible to get knives that don`t activate these things.

 

[longers]

Stop and search based on racial profiling is a tricky one, its had proven results in some places but as Prevenger mentions it's massively damaging to relations between authorities and the people they are profiling... which ultimately causes even less respect for the law/police/government.

It must truly suck to be a normal black lad and be constantly stopped on the street purely because of your race, look at the division created in the US because of such policies.

As with everything there is no easy answer, there's always negative consequences.

 

[Prevenger17]

Yet this is the reason stop and search was reduced, that worked well didn’t it.....New York had a horrendous murder rate, they introduced a zero tolerance policy and the murder rate came down......

I'm not saying it wouldn't reduce the rate of knife crime. Just that it wouldn't really address the roots of it, and there's a strong argument it would do quite a bit to sustain it under the guise of superficially better looking numbers.

 

[PhilM]

I think that would generate problems of its own, Pete. There is no faster way to breed resentment and anger towards police than profile orientated stop and frisks. It flies in the face of presumption of innocence, and can make already isolated communities even more disdainful of the law

I agree that if used incorrectly then stop and searches of a specific group can cause its own severe issues, but that shouldn't automatically halt it.

Better communication with the community and a levels transparency of the needs for searches would, to an extent, would help negate issues.

Understandably 'profiling' can be seen as wrong (and used wrongly), however sometimes it's based purely on the statics that are evident.

"Are you stopping me because I'm X?" Well sometimes the answer is justly yes - it's not racism; rather it's dealing with the circumstances.

If there was an issue with middle-aged white women who were committing violent crimes in a certain area, would they not be liable to be stopped?

If a certain demographic are involved in specific crimes (violent, drug dealing, theft et al) within an area, then that group should be focused on.

 

[dead_soft]

Now before you start generating faux anger and froth. By area, I mean an area where knife crime has already taken place on more than one occasion. I would bet good money that none of those killed recently in London was down to poverty, lack of engagement in community or requiring better social services. Removing knives and removing the people who carry knives reduces murder by knives.....

Why did you immediately go into weird accusations of faux anger because of a disagreement?

Why would you bet good money? Do you believe that crime is committed in a vacuum? The criminal committed a crime and that’s that?
Most violent crimes were committed unarmed

 

[Armaghtoffee]

There are loads of reasons to carry a knife mate, it's a very useful tool. If you restrict your generalisation to bua's then fair enough, but let's not get hysterical.

To clarify, I mean when out on a Saturday night and not when out in the woods bonding with nature.

 

[orchard]

To clarify, I mean when out on a Saturday night and not when out in the woods bonding with nature.

-or working.

 

[orchard]

How long are people being sentenced for violent crime with a knife? The laws seems strict enough as it stands.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

How long are people being sentenced for violent crime with a knife? The laws seems strict enough as it stands.

For first time possession, a few months. Second time is 6 to 18 months.

 

[peteblue]

Why did you immediately go into weird accusations of faux anger because of a disagreement?

Why would you bet good money? Do you believe that crime is committed in a vacuum? The criminal committed a crime and that’s that?
Most violent crimes were committed unarmed

No I don’t believe crime is created in a vacuum, nor do I believe that it’s down to poverty or that more social workers would help reduce it. Better parenting would help. Better education could help but they seem to have given up on any form of discipline. More police officers properly led possible would as visibility of law does act as a deterrent. Fear of draconian sentencing probably would, but only for those who are not truly bad. Truly bad people fear very little, respect very little, and are not usually prone to conversion, but if caught and locked up at least can do no harm. So it’s a mixture required, but one where we actually address the real issues of the causes of violence and not some political socialist/right wing dogma. It takes an age to change people and that can be worked on in the background, getting the knives off the street can be done quicker with a determined approach.....

 

[Frang]

send the all to Australia

 

[peteblue]

send the all to Australia

Nah, they’d just cheat at cricket....no, wait......