Current Affairs Knife crime

[orchard]

For first time possession, a few months. Second time is 6 to 18 months.

Needs increasing a lot then imo if that's for violence with a knife as a weapon.

 

[peteblue]

It’s strange that the use of knives, in fact crime in general and violence, seems to be more of a city dweller issue......

 

[dead_soft]

No I don’t believe crime is created in a vacuum, nor do I believe that it’s down to poverty or that more social workers would help reduce it. Better parenting would help. Better education could help but they seem to have given up on any form of discipline. More police officers properly led possible would as visibility of law does act as a deterrent. Fear of draconian sentencing probably would, but only for those who are not truly bad. Truly bad people fear very little, respect very little, and are not usually prone to conversion, but if caught and locked up at least can do no harm. So it’s a mixture required, but one where we actually address the real issues of the causes of violence and not some political socialist/right wing dogma. It takes an age to change people and that can be worked on in the background, getting the knives off the street can be done quicker with a determined approach.....

You know we have harsher sentences and more custodial sentences now than we have ever had before.

So better education/better parenting - yet then reject the idea of poverty and social workers being important?

 

[dead_soft]

It’s strange that the use of knives, in fact crime in general and violence, seems to be more of a city dweller issue......

It isn’t that strange that areas of higher inequality and high rates of poverty have high rates of crime

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Needs increasing a lot then imo if that's for violence with a knife as a weapon.

That is just for being caught with a knife. Not long enough in my opinion to act as an effective deterrent.

 

[peteblue]

You know we have harsher sentences and more custodial sentences now than we have ever had before.

So better education/better parenting - yet then reject the idea of poverty and social workers being important?

Apologies for the instant rejection. But having grown up in abject poverty by today’s standards, we didn’t see that much knife crime though it did obviously exist. Yet all kids carried some form of penknife, indeed cubs and scouts were encouraged to do so. So it wasn’t so much the prevalence of knives but the mentality of those that would actually use them to inflict harm. I have mentioned that there is generally more crime and violence in cities than the countryside, yet the countryside has poverty and easy access to knives and indeed guns. In America they have studies that suggest the larger the grouping of people the greater the chance of crime/violence per person. Why city values of life are different from countryside values I don’t know, but there is a difference......

 

[peteblue]

It isn’t that strange that areas of higher inequality and high rates of poverty have high rates of crime

I think you’ll find a bit of poverty in the countryside as well, no social workers though......or buses.....

 

[dead_soft]

Apologies for the instant rejection. But having grown up in abject poverty by today’s standards, we didn’t see that much knife crime though it did obviously exist. Yet all kids carried some form of penknife, indeed cubs and scouts were encouraged to do so. So it wasn’t so much the prevalence of knives but the mentality of those that would actually use them to inflict harm. I have mentioned that there is generally more crime and violence in cities than the countryside, yet the countryside has poverty and easy access to knives and indeed guns. In America they have studies that suggest the larger the grouping of people the greater the chance of crime/violence per person. Why city values of life are different from countryside values I don’t know, but there is a difference......

You say you don’t know the difference in City values and countryside values are but you know for certain how they won’t be treated? That’s oddly definite for someone who admits to not knowing the reasons.
Cities have higher levels of inequality, but you seem to completely dismiss this as a factor
You can’t really use your anecdotal evidence of being a poor kid as a basis for any argument.

 

[dead_soft]

I think you’ll find a bit of poverty in the countryside as well, no social workers though......or buses.....

I didn’t at any point say it didn’t

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

A young lad was recently stabbed to death in a nightclub. The assailant went to trial but somehow walked free. Despite there being solid evidence that he was carrying a knife in a nightclub and that he used it. Mind boggling and very worrying.

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

https://www.expressandstar.com/news...nager-cleared-of-stourbridge-chicagos-murder/

 

[tsubaki]

Needs increasing a lot then imo if that's for violence with a knife as a weapon.

There is certainly something to be said for looking at sentencing, but I think we make a mistake if we assume that there is a logical thought process to many of these crimes that will be deterred by sentences.

Most of the murders seem to be rows, over what amounts to nothing in the cold light of day, that have turned deadly because someone brought a knife along. The easiest way that these kids / youths, who lets not forget are a lot closer to this than we are, think that they can prevent being stabbed is to carry knives themselves - ideally the more spectacular looking the better (hence the fad for machetes / combat knives / zombie knives).

They are also familiar with a youth criminal justice system that doesn't really get effective until they actually kill someone or they turn 18, and an education system that despite all manner of good intentions still leaves poor kids, especially those who are not obviously academically bright, with the belief that they are on their own.

 

[COYBL25]

It’s strange that the use of knives, in fact crime in general and violence, seems to be more of a city dweller issue......

Herd mentality and "fashion " Pete.

Similar to acid attacks and moped muggings.

 

[peteblue]

You say you don’t know the difference in City values and countryside values are but you know for certain how they won’t be treated? That’s oddly definite for someone who admits to not knowing the reasons.
Cities have higher levels of inequality, but you seem to completely dismiss this as a factor
You can’t really use your anecdotal evidence of being a poor kid as a basis for any argument.

How do cities have higher levels of inequality ? The pub I frequent has one chap who owns a Stately Home and a couple of thousand acres, standing next to him will be a mechanic on about £16K. There is a mix of rich farmers and poor farm workers, business owners and their employees, the car park consists of top of the range Range Rovers and cars worth £200. Yet everyone gets on with one another and no one sees the need to pull out a knife. @COYBL25 probably nailed it with herd mentality......

 

[peteblue]

A young lad was recently stabbed to death in a nightclub. The assailant went to trial but somehow walked free. Despite there being solid evidence that he was carrying a knife in a nightclub and that he used it. Mind boggling and very worrying.

Self defence I imagine......