Current Affairs Knife crime

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But all of that ^^^^ can and does apply in the countryside mate. Albeit to fewer people cos as you pointed out, the density of population is less.

In my quiet corner of the country we have no mains gas, no public transport, (first thing to be cut a few years back), terrible roads, frequent power cuts, until recently terrible BB speed, 3 inches of snow cuts us off from any shops or services, (and always the last to be cleared), no school, no GP surgery, I could go on.

Rural living is not like Emmerdale mate, in the same way City dwelling aint Eastenders or Corrie.
I know that mate, as I have mates who live on the West Coast of rural Cumbria and their lad went well off the rails for a while.

However the breakdown of society, seems to be less of an issue in rural areas.

You don`t get " no go zones " in rural areas for instance.

( I`m not equating that to poverty by the way, as I know that rural poverty and things like male suicide are a massive issue, due to unemployment, alcoholism, depression )
 
There`s a whole load of factors Pete :

The breakdown of the family.
The lack of non criminal male role models.
Fashion.
Music.
Drugs.
Lack of hope.
Peer pressure.
Herd mentality.
Poor schooling.
Poor housing.
Low self esteem.
Lack of self confidence.
The breakdown of law and order.

In short, being trapped by where you are born.

The fundamental difference between the city and the countryside, is the density of the population.

Oh I understand that, but having been raised in one before moving to the other I never felt any different tbh......
 
Wealth distribution is more unequal in cities than it is writhing villages. You cannot use your fairly pointless anecdotal evidence to change the facts

Perhaps you could quote actual facts then rather than your own opinion posing as fact.....
 
More policing and very long sentences for those being violent with knives.

Like you say mate, it appears society's breaking down further for some urban areas and that needs resolving imo. As to the causes I have no idea. Kids have always carried knives, who and why they are being used needs addressing.

I think its breaking down everywhere rather than just some urban areas - these murders are just a symptom, in the same way that people openly doing this is. I just wish I could sum the whole lot as well as Peter Oborne did seven years ago:

These double standards from Downing Street are symptomatic of widespread double standards at the very top of our society. It should be stressed that most people (including, I know, Telegraph readers) continue to believe in honesty, decency, hard work, and putting back into society at least as much as they take out.

But there are those who do not. Certainly, the so-called feral youth seem oblivious to decency and morality. But so are the venal rich and powerful – too many of our bankers, footballers, wealthy businessmen and politicians.

Of course, most of them are smart and wealthy enough to make sure that they obey the law. That cannot be said of the sad young men and women, without hope or aspiration, who have caused such mayhem and chaos over the past few days. But the rioters have this defence: they are just following the example set by senior and respected figures in society. Let’s bear in mind that many of the youths in our inner cities have never been trained in decent values. All they have ever known is barbarism. Our politicians and bankers, in sharp contrast, tend to have been to good schools and universities and to have been given every opportunity in life.

Something has gone horribly wrong in Britain. If we are ever to confront the problems which have been exposed in the past week, it is essential to bear in mind that they do not only exist in inner-city housing estates.

The culture of greed and impunity we are witnessing on our TV screens stretches right up into corporate boardrooms and the Cabinet. It embraces the police and large parts of our media. It is not just its damaged youth, but Britain itself that needs a moral reformation.

(from here, a polemic which amazingly enough first appeared in the Telegraph)
 
But all of that ^^^^ can and does apply in the countryside mate. Albeit to fewer people cos as you pointed out, the density of population is less.

In my quiet corner of the country we have no mains gas, no public transport, (first thing to be cut a few years back), terrible roads, frequent power cuts, until recently terrible BB speed, 3 inches of snow cuts us off from any shops or services, (and always the last to be cleared), no school, no GP surgery, I could go on.

Rural living is not like Emmerdale mate, in the same way City dwelling aint Eastenders or Corrie.


Cities are a bit unnatural I suppose. In my village, I always think everyone knows every single misstep I ever take, every embarrassment. There's a slightly different social order at play.

In cities, particularly one as huge as London, I imagine it can be easier to feel like the things you do have no import or consequence. A person is more likely to commit a crime if they think nobody is watching
 
Perhaps you could quote actual facts then rather than your own opinion posing as fact.....

Euromonitor research showing that the largest cities have higher inequality https://blog.euromonitor.com/2013/03/the-worlds-largest-cities-are-the-most-unequal.html

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2014/07/cities-urbanization-rich-poor-inequality/ - cities more unequal than their host nations mean (this doesn’t prove inequality higher in urban areas but offers suggestion it is more keenly felt)

You keep using your own personal experiences to justify your points of view, which isn’t a way to gain an understanding of the world. It’s okay for an ‘I reckon’ and nothing more.
 
Euromonitor research showing that the largest cities have higher inequality https://blog.euromonitor.com/2013/03/the-worlds-largest-cities-are-the-most-unequal.html

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2014/07/cities-urbanization-rich-poor-inequality/ - cities more unequal than their host nations mean (this doesn’t prove inequality higher in urban areas but offers suggestion it is more keenly felt)

You keep using your own personal experiences to justify your points of view, which isn’t a way to gain an understanding of the world. It’s okay for an ‘I reckon’ and nothing more.

Wonderful, so what was your point again, that because there are more millionaires in London that’s why the kids are all carrying knives and knifing each other......
 
Another fatal shooting of a seventeen year old girl, a sixteen year old critical and a separate stabbing of a boy.

That’ll be because of all the inequality in our cities......nothing to do with the carrying of guns and knives.......
 
That’ll be because of all the inequality in our cities......nothing to do with the carrying of guns and knives.......
To suggest it plays no part Peter is a bit naive if I'm honest, yet so is suggesting that violent crime is purely down to inequality and poverty.

Poverty and inequality can exacerbate the problem, but a lot of people are into crime because of the image, the rewards and for cultural reasons.
 
In our city, Liverpool, it appears to be on the rise. There have a been a number of knife related murders in the city centre during nights out.

However in London it looks like it’s got completely out of hand. There have been 15 murders in the last two months alone.

London now has a worse crime rate than New York. This is the first time in 200 years.

It was never this bad. So what has gone wrong and what’s the solution?
Sorted.
Back in the 20s and 30s knife and razor crime was rife, especially in Glasgow. The was a Judge whose name now escapes me, anyway.
If you were caught with a knive or razor in dodgy circumstances you got 10 years hard labour without parole
That meant Barlinnie...not a holiday camp

All thats missing is the political will to do it...and bigger prisons to put them in
 
To suggest it plays no part Peter is a bit naive if I'm honest, yet so is suggesting that violent crime is purely down to inequality and poverty.

Poverty and inequality can exacerbate the problem, but a lot of people are into crime because of the image, the rewards and for cultural reasons.

90% of people are in it because of idiocy rather than rewards.

For instance the average council estate drug dealer, the role model to so many of his peers, makes less in a year than he would if he worked full-time in McDonalds. Yes, he might drive around in a flash car but it is either rented or pinched (or rented and pinched); he probably has no assets beyond his drugs and his clothing. He is at risk from other dealers and the police. After a few years, if he hasn't been killed or put away for years, he will probably have got a criminal record that renders him unemployable just as he gets old enough to need the stability of proper employment.

There is a reason why so many of them are on benefits; it isn't that they are all on the fiddle so much as what they choose to do makes them no money.
 
That’ll be because of all the inequality in our cities......nothing to do with the carrying of guns and knives.......

... or, as the Mail put it, the fact that London has 8000 (probably more like 10,000, and it will be 13,000 by 2020) fewer cops than New York does.
 
90% of people are in it because of idiocy rather than rewards.

For instance the average council estate drug dealer, the role model to so many of his peers, makes less in a year than he would if he worked full-time in McDonalds. Yes, he might drive around in a flash car but it is either rented or pinched (or rented and pinched); he probably has no assets beyond his drugs and his clothing. He is at risk from other dealers and the police. After a few years, if he hasn't been killed or put away for years, he will probably have got a criminal record that renders him unemployable just as he gets old enough to need the stability of proper employment.

There is a reason why so many of them are on benefits; it isn't that they are all on the fiddle so much as what they choose to do makes them no money.
Perhaps then the perceived rewards or at any short-term rewards. There'll be some who thrive, as there is money in it, but not for the majority.

For someone who has no real career aspirations or interests in obtaining pension, houses etc. then a drug dealer must look a fairly good option.

Like you mention, they have a nice car, flash clothes and cash at hand; they may even have some form of power or authority in their community.

In all honesty it might all be a disguise for their true position, but if you lack those real aspirations or dreams then it fills an important void.

As long as the middle and higher tier members are reaping their rewards, which are clear to see, then people will wish to copy them.
 
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