Current Affairs Knife crime

[longers]

Only a matter of time until the articles blaming Grime music appear.

 

[dead_soft]

Wonderful, so what was your point again, that because there are more millionaires in London that’s why the kids are all carrying knives and knifing each other......

Clearly wasn't what I said and shows the fairly low level of your own arguments that you had to misrepresent it like that. Strange why you are so desperate to stick to your own opinions despite not having a great deal to back them outside of 'But when I was young' or 'I reckon'

 

[peteblue]

To suggest it plays no part Peter is a bit naive if I'm honest, yet so is suggesting that violent crime is purely down to inequality and poverty.

Poverty and inequality can exacerbate the problem, but a lot of people are into crime because of the image, the rewards and for cultural reasons.

Indeed. My point being that poverty and inequality also exist in the countryside but without the knives, it is a mixture but gun and knife crime is prevalent in cities and to a much lesser degree outside. Hence my question of why Cities. There have been a few answers on here such as yours and COYBL25 that I feel get closer to the truth.....

 

[peteblue]

Clearly wasn't what I said and shows the fairly low level of your own arguments that you had to misrepresent it like that. Strange why you are so desperate to stick to your own opinions despite not having a great deal to back them outside of 'But when I was young' or 'I reckon'

It clearly was what you said, because it’s only because of the abundance of millionaires that creates inequality in cities, having dismissed inequality outside of cities......

 

[peteblue]

... or, as the Mail put it, the fact that London has 8000 (probably more like 10,000, and it will be 13,000 by 2020) fewer cops than New York does.

Outside of the cities or the motorway, we never see a policeman, yet few guns or knife crime. I think London has over 33,000 police. I agree more police might sort out London’s problems, but why are the problems there to begin with...

 

[dead_soft]

It clearly was what you said, because it’s only because of the abundance of millionaires that creates inequality in cities, having dismissed inequality outside of cities......

Don’t be so reductive and childish. Inequality is a contributing factor to higher crime rates.
I never dismissed inequality outside of cities and again, you either cannot follow the thread of a discussion or pure wilfully misinterpreting it.

 

[peteblue]

Sorted.
Back in the 20s and 30s knife and razor crime was rife, especially in Glasgow. The was a Judge whose name now escapes me, anyway.
If you were caught with a knive or razor in dodgy circumstances you got 10 years hard labour without parole
That meant Barlinnie...not a holiday camp

All thats missing is the political will to do it...and bigger prisons to put them in

Lord Carmont was the judge who sorted it in the 50’s, with his long sentences for Glasgow razor and knife carriers. What was becoming fashionable amongst the criminals quickly went out of fashion..........

 

[Kurt.]

Stop and search not happening, you reap what you sow unfortunately. It doesn’t look like we can charm or convince the little scrotes to stop knifing people, perhaps we can at least target them and lock them up for a lengthy sentence for carrying........

The tories have made this nigh on impossible with all the forced cutbacks the police force have had to make.

 

[peteblue]

The tories have made this nigh on impossible with all the forced cutbacks the police force have had to make.

There’s still 33,000 police in London......more than the entire Royal Navy and Royal Marines......

 

[Prevenger17]

Don’t be so reductive and childish. Inequality is a contributing factor to higher crime rates.
I never dismissed inequality outside of cities and again, you either cannot follow the thread of a discussion or pure wilfully misinterpreting it.

FFS lad, it's Pete. Tell him to wash the piss stains off his y fronts and get some fresh air like any self respecting GOT leftie

 

[Kurt.]

There’s still 33,000 police in London......more than the entire Royal Navy and Royal Marines......

Report a burglary and see how long it takes for a copper to come and investigate.

 

[PhilM]

There’s still 33,000 police in London......more than the entire Royal Navy and Royal Marines......

And? With an estimated population of eight million, that's one police officer for every 258 people if you use the actual figure of 31,075.

Then take into consideration officers being on specific duties such as traffic, CID, robbery, firearms, restricted to desk work or simply off sick.

How many would that leave for day-to-day territorial policing? Then you must consider shift patterns (five shifts groups for the Met) and times.

Let's just say, you're not going to be looking at more than a few thousand on duty at any one time and at night might be less than a thousand.

A growing population with less officers and more restricted to specialist duties means that ultimately you will be waiting longer these days.

Expect a response for shop lifting under £200? Nope. Drive off from a petrol forecourt? That's civil. Burglary? Not aggravated, then maybe not.

 

[tsubaki]

Outside of the cities or the motorway, we never see a policeman, yet few guns or knife crime. I think London has over 33,000 police. I agree more police might sort out London’s problems, but why are the problems there to begin with...

Nope. The current total is around 30,000.

 

[peteblue]

Nope. The current total is around 30,000.

House of Commons Library as at 23/3/18 says 31,547, so fair enough right in the middle....still more than the RN and RM’s.......

 

[peteblue]

Only a matter of time until the articles blaming Grime music appear.

If we knew what that was it would definitely get the blame......